Is this weekend the last match we get to go to this season?

[bennett]

2 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

You can fire a 44 game league season straight into the bin tbqfh.

More Sevco games, not seeing the issue. 

Surely that's what everyone wants?

 

[Cowden Cowboy]

23 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

Perfected it IMO.

RG Master Plan

Current season - End as is, prize money handed out by position. No promotion or relegation.

2020/21 season played in current format.

Reconstruction agreed for season 2021/22.

Top flight expanded to 16. 44 game season involving split after 30. Top 4 from 2020/21 Championship season added.

Two relegation spots from then on in. Both automatic. 

Tier Two expanded to 16. 9 teams from 2020/21 League One added. Team 10 is 2020/21 League Two champions. Same set up with 44 game season. Top two promoted automatically. Bottom two relegated. 

Tier 3 expanded to 12 sides. Play each other 4 times. 9 from 2020/21 League Two. Team 10 is 10th place from 2020/21 League One table. Team 11/12 are 2020/21 Highland/Lowland League winners.

Challenge Cup scrapped. Betfred Cup reverts back to straight knockout format. Lower tier clubs gain later access to Scottish Cup. This is an attempt to cut down on games.

A disastrous proposal for Lower League sides - why not properly consider all the clubs for once

[RandomGuy.]

Just now, Cowden Cowboy said:

A disastrous proposal for Lower League sides - why not properly consider all the clubs for once

How?

9 League One sides get promoted to the second tier, alongside 5 Championship sides. Current League Two sides get bumped up into Tier 3. Now, effectively, only one promotion from the Championship. 

Current League One/Two sides now have 22 guaranteed Home games through the league, instead of 18.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

Quick question from a late comer - if prize money is paid out, does that take null and void OFF the table? 

You would probably have to call it something euphemistic like a “performance related reward” as opposed to “prize money”

[D Angelo Barksdale]

5 minutes ago, bennett said:

More Sevco games, not seeing the issue. 

Surely that's what everyone wants?

 

It would be a good laugh to see you drop points to Ayr and Morton tbf.

[bennett]

8 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

It would be a good laugh to see you drop points to Ayr and Morton tbf.

 

Morton!  virginton and the lads on here. I take back everything I said, it's a stupid idea.

 

 

[Guest JTS98]

We keep hearing that the SPFL is a members' organisation, so I don't understand why the clubs don't just work together for what they all want.

Surely, they just propose to change whatever regulation the board say prevents the money being paid out now. No delay. No strings attached. Just give the clubs the money they need.

Whichever club(s) vote against that are your villains.

No?

[frankthetank22]

I'm all for a top 16. 

[The DA]

1 minute ago, JTS98 said:

We keep hearing that the SPFL is a members' organisation, so I don't understand why the clubs don't just work together for what they all want.

Surely, they just propose to change whatever regulation the board say prevents the money being paid out now. No delay. No strings attached. Just give the clubs the money they need.

Whichever club(s) vote against that are your villains.

No?

Because they all want different things.

[Guest JTS98]

1 minute ago, The DA said:

Because they all want different things.

But apparently they all want the money.

So, why not just agree to do that? Why does it have to be linked to anything else? Surely it is a stand-alone issue.

Unless someone is trying to blackmail the other clubs?

 

[Coventry Saint]

4 hours ago, Jock Tamson said:

11 hours ago, bennett said:

Dundee did vote. 

Proof please

There's a photo of the voting slip signed by Nelms, if that helps. Doesn't prove it was submitted, tbf.

Edit - they're on here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52253331

Edited April 12, 2020 by Coventry Saint

[charger29]

Being reported that sky won't be asking the epl to refund money paid to it. With the smaller sums involved with us and sky, it surely won't be that big an issue?
 
 

Sky Sports will not demand to be repaid the £371 million they are owed by the Premier League if the season is cancelled.

Talks are ongoing between the broadcaster and the Premier League to find alternative way to make good any lost value in a worst-case scenario

Although the most-favoured option among clubs and broadcasters is to restart the season and then play to a conclusion, there remains a fear that it might never restart, an outcome which the Premier League have calculated would cost them £762m in TV income that would have to be repaid.

 

But the talks between Sky and the Premier League have indicated that almost half of the £762m exposure is not at risk.

The figure of £762m was the figure the Premier League calculated would be owed to Sky, BT and overseas broadcasters in the event of the season being voided and was the figure presented to players when asking them to take a 30 per cent pay cut.

Apart from Sky's £371m, another £341m would have to be paid back to overseas broadcasters — but it is understood that though there are some companies who would demand the money back, many have indicated a willingness to negotiate a settlement.

It is hoped that relationships with long-standing overseas broadcasters mean that, in a worst-case scenario, the Premier League would only have to repay at most £150m

BT are arguably more of a problem than Sky from what I've heard. They've got a fair bit less to lose with their deal running out at the end of the season.
Still can't see them wanting the negative attention it'll give them in the English press.

[Green Day]

3 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

But apparently they all want the money.

So, why not just agree to do that? Why does it have to be linked to anything else? Surely it is a stand-alone issue.

Unless someone is trying to blackmail the other clubs?

 

Couple of points.

They dont all want or need the money. Certain clubs (ICT for example) are skint, but not all.

As was abundantly clear on Sportsound yesterday, if you are at the lower reaches of your division, the money on offer is minimal (someone corrected me on this last night and said that they basically pay out earlier in season based on the bottom payout and then the final payment is based on your position) So hearts for example wont get much if anything.

2nd - Any resolution to change the rules will - again - have a high %age threshold for acceptance and will presumably also have a 28 day voting period. 

And why would Dundee Utd (for example) vote for something that wasnt promoting them?

[Green Day]

@bennettThat story sounds grand.............until you read the story.

The broadcasters still want their pound of flesh, whether it is in cash or additional matches next season or pushing the deal on a year or so - its just a deferral at best, in a league where the product is worth a lot more cash.

For us? We are in a different position where we are moving broadcast deals - I cant really see the same situation happening.

Ewan Murray tweeted this as well and its his usual "hot take" without actually considering the background.

[NorthBank]

The Forfar Chairman was on Sportsound yesterday. He said it was not about money as they are only due their last payment for the season which is around £3,700

 What his Club want is to be able to plan ahead. At the moment they will have only 5 players on contract by the 10th June. Their League could have (relative) big hitters like Raith, Falkirk and Partick Thistle or Cove, Edinburgh City and Stranraer. A huge difference in potential income and one that would dictate what wages they could offer to rebuild their squad. In his opinion that was the case for most Clubs in League 1 and League 2 so 'they are desperate for the money' was in his opinion not the overriding factor in those Leagues.

He also correctly states that the Leagues could not be finished as some Clubs like Dumbarton and Stranraer have NO players on contract after 10th June. If finishing the season was after 10th June how can you finish it over a relatively few games with a completely different squad that you started with? Sporting integrity then goes down the plughole.

 

[Savage Henry]

The Forfar Chairman was on Sportsound yesterday. He said it was not about money as they are only due their last payment for the season which is around £3,700
 What his Club want is to be able to plan ahead. At the moment they will have only 5 players on contract by the 10th June. Their League could have (relative) big hitters like Raith, Falkirk and Partick Thistle or Cove, Edinburgh City and Stranraer. A huge difference in potential income and one that would dictate what wages they could offer to rebuild their squad. In his opinion that was the case for most Clubs in League 1 and League 2 so 'they are desperate for the money' was in his opinion not the overriding factor in those Leagues.
He also correctly states that the Leagues could not be finished as some Clubs like Dumbarton and Stranraer have NO players on contract after 10th June. If finishing the season was after 10th June how can you finish it over a relatively few games with a completely different squad that you started with? Sporting integrity then goes down the plughole.
 

In case he hadn’t noticed, pretty much the whole of the western world is unable to plan ahead. His expectations of the SPFL is completely unreasonable.

Sporting integrity is a nebulous concept at the best of times.

[Guest JTS98]

9 minutes ago, Green Day said:

Couple of points.

They dont all want or need the money. Certain clubs (ICT for example) are skint, but not all.

As was abundantly clear on Sportsound yesterday, if you are at the lower reaches of your division, the money on offer is minimal (someone corrected me on this last night and said that they basically pay out earlier in season based on the bottom payout and then the final payment is based on your position) So hearts for example wont get much if anything.

2nd - Any resolution to change the rules will - again - have a high %age threshold for acceptance and will presumably also have a 28 day voting period. 

And why would Dundee Utd (for example) vote for something that wasnt promoting them?

Let's turn your last question round there.

Which clubs are going to vote against the money being given out, and why?

If the money is paid out, nobody loses. So why not do it?

[Savage Henry]

Let's turn your last question round there.
Which clubs are going to vote against the money being given out, and why?
If the money is paid out, nobody loses. So why not do it?

Because it can’t be done without calling an end to the season.

[NorthBank]

Just now, Savage Henry said:

 

In case he hadn’t noticed, pretty much the whole of the western world is unable to plan ahead. His expectations of the SPFL is completely unreasonable.

Sporting integrity is a nebulous concept at the best of times.

I think he has noticed but was asked to make a vote by the SPFL and was then asked by a radio presenter on how they had have voted to approve the motion.

As  regards sporting integrity he has a point.

[Green Day]

1 minute ago, JTS98 said:

Let's turn your last question round there.

Which clubs are going to vote against the money being given out, and why?

If the money is paid out, nobody loses. So why not do it?

Isnt that a question you need to ask your own club / Rangers  / ICT, rather than me?

A yes vote gets the money paid and the likes of Dundee Utd promoted