ICTChris Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 I’ve not seen any of this but if the assistant ref did as described then it’s absolutely disgraceful, no excuse for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said: b) Using the word "Negru" even if it is his native language for "black" would sound pretty fucking serious to anyone in earshot that doesn't happen to speak or understand his native language. I don't get this bit, what word should he or Spaniards use for "black"? I wouldn't know what English words sound really bad to Romanians or Spaniards. Edited December 9, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 10 hours ago, D.A.F.C said: Just tried to argue with some posters on a millwall YouTube video. Again and again all you hear is BLM is marxist we are booing them. After nearly disappearing down that hole myself would like to say that the negative effect that social media has causing more and more people to be racist. "Blm made me racist" "All of football is against taking the knee" "Blm encourages people to loot and fight the police, they are marxist" Its the same shit again and again. They've been brainwashed. They haven't been brainwashed. That makes them sound like victims. They are contemptible bigots who have found a flimsy justification for acting like arseholes through social media. It hasn't changed them but it has helped them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/dec/08/david-squires-on-the-booing-of-footballers-taking-a-knee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, hk blues said: Would it be sexist if you were trying to identify a lone woman amongst a group of men by saying the female over there? I've no dog in the fight but interested in where a line is being drawn. Pretty obviously not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, Gordon EF said: Pretty obviously not. OK. So we are saying it's OK to define people by their sex but not their race? Can we say the blind guy, or the bald guy? Or is this no-no only applicable to race/colour? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 In the football situation, which I haven't watched yet, the obvious solution is to wait until things calm down and if language difference is an issue point or touch the guilty parties on the shoulder before taking them aside for any disciplinary action. Thinking as I go, I suspect the pronunciation of Negru in Romanian might sound a bit like another word that is definitely offensive. It'll certainly be a lesson that should've been learned earlier for football authorities. I'm still not sure that every reference to race is racist in other contexts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_rover Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 If he was the only white guy amongst a group of black guys would it be wrong to say the white guy? Genuine question.But the likelihood is that the description wouldn't be used, as Demba Ba pointed out in his complaints following Webo's red card. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, hk blues said: OK. So we are saying it's OK to define people by their sex but not their race? Can we say the blind guy, or the bald guy? Or is this no-no only applicable to race/colour? It does depend on context though doesn't it. If you came into an office looking for the marketing manager and I just pointed to her and said "The female" I think that would be pretty weird behaviour. If you asked me how you would recognise someone amongst a crowd and I said they were the only woman or only black person, I'd see that as fine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, true_rover said: 52 minutes ago, hk blues said: If he was the only white guy amongst a group of black guys would it be wrong to say the white guy? Genuine question. But the likelihood is that the description wouldn't be used, as Demba Ba pointed out in his complaints following Webo's red card. I'd use it if it was the clear distinguishing feature - most of the time it would be I'd imagine 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: It does depend on context though doesn't it. If you came into an office looking for the marketing manager and I just pointed to her and said "The female" I think that would be pretty weird behaviour. If you asked me how you would recognise someone amongst a crowd and I said they were the only woman or only black person, I'd see that as fine. That makes sense. My main concern would be that a number of posts/posters here are simply making a blanket statement that using someone's colour as a way to identify them is wrong (racist?) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 The last couple of pages min: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Thinking as I go, I suspect the pronunciation of Negru in Romanian might sound a bit like another word that is definitely offensive. I'm not sure how many present would know that the Romanian word sounds a bit like an English slur. The French for seal is phoque by the way, we used to have great fun asking the shy French assistant for the translation at school. Edited December 9, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Absolutely shocked to see the usual suspect throw up a wall of "nothing to see here " around the ref 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Absolutely shocked to see the usual suspect throw up a wall of "nothing to see here " around the ref Who are the usual suspects? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Absolutely shocked to see the usual suspect throw up a wall of "nothing to see here " around the ref Not seeing that at all apart from Mr Waldo. Everyone else seems to be taking the view that we shouldn't jump to conclusions about his motivation. The boxing's an interesting one. I usually dance about giving it "the guy with the gold trim" etc until the mrs, who is mixed race herself, goes "the black one?" Still, I'm not going to say that. It's not because I don’t want to offend, it's because i feel more comfortable mystelf. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, coprolite said: Not seeing that at all apart from Mr Waldo. Did you not consider that was the usual suspect? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 He said "usual suspect", not "usual suspects". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Andre Drazen said: Did you not consider that was the usual suspect? You're correct, it was singular. I'm like a man in an orthopaedic shoe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Scary Bear said: I’m just trying to be reasonable about it. Would you like someone coming up and pointing at you? I would see that as a provocative act; It would anger me. If they were all white guys, then saying he was the white guy would be pretty much no help. If there was only one white guy, then it would be the most obvious difference at first glance in a team all wearing the same clothing. I understand there were two black men, and that the fourth official is white and I get that in this day and age it has caused an incident. I'd much rather someone pointed at me to identify me than refer to the colour of my skin, aye. I don't think it's reasonable to throw up a whole load of whataboutery when it's a pretty clear case the ref has used a phrase he shouldn't have. 46 minutes ago, hk blues said: That makes sense. My main concern would be that a number of posts/posters here are simply making a blanket statement that using someone's colour as a way to identify them is wrong (racist?) Who has called the ref racist? I see folk condemning the referee for his actions and others throwing up hypothetical situations as some sort of defence for him, but it's the ones condemning the ref you have worries about? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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