vikingTON Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Two points of clarification needed here after reading multiple pages of frankly disturbing back and forths over yours truly. 1) The sole reason why I referred to myself as a 'qualified historian' was because @Bairnardo was beginning to depict historical academia as being a hivemind consisting of a single 'mainstream' argument running against 'alternatives' such as conspiracy theories and, the topic of debate at that time in the thread, holocaust denial. It is therefore relevant to cite my contribution as that of a qualified historian because that involves being trained in the field's research methodology as well as spending an inordinate amount of time studying and condensing how history is actually written (historiography). We go through that mind-numbing pish so that lay people can just pick up a decent book or two and go with it. And to Bairnardo's credit, he was prepared to row back from those lay judgments in the face of this expertise. It was and will be just about the only context in which the qualified aspect will be relevant to a debate but I'll take the victory lap nonetheless. 1 hour ago, cb_diamond said: Agree with most of this tbh. To give a wee bit more context to your (IMO) spot on "gimmick" comment I did the same degree as VT at the same Uni a couple of years ahead of him and his persona on here is a carbon copy of the toxic staff he learned from, who were almost to a person snidey arseholes with delousions of grandeur. If you ever have the misfortune to meet acerbic but still absolute personality vacuums like John Young or Richard Finlay at a "cheese and wine" you'd get VT. Nothing underlines your failed Desmond learning experience at Strathclyde quite like conflating a permaraging bigot like John Young with the king of smooth himself. Or thinking that the latter would be seen dead at a 'cheese and wine event'. Other than that though, a solid 1/10 effort. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 When he's good, he's good tbf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 @virginton if you add a citation to that post noting my use of that clip to describe your BFF Jason Leitch (on two separate occasions) I won't take the matter any further. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Wiley has been cancelled. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 This about sums it up for this Bear -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: This about sums it up for this Bear Big team found 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 This about sums it up for this BearThere's no doubt there's a lot of that going on.I still think that underlplays the impact of Internet pile-ons and abuse dishes out by so many people. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 There’s no doubt that algorithms and social media has contributed to people being pulled down one direction and you can find stuff that seemingly supports either argument whether it’s actually factually correct and this leads people into claiming they are experts in subjects trying to argue with actual knowledgable people who spent years studying and learning with exams and testing. Its the same as trying to do your job through google, pretty condescending and VT was quite right to stand up for himself. If people didn’t issue out telts then we would end up with a shouting contest or bunfights on every topic for discussion. There needs to be more acceptance of knowledge and authority. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tongue_tied_danny Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 16 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Wiley has been cancelled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 37 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Pish. Every c**t has a degree, doesn't make them experts in anything. Even folk with PhDs are only really expert in a narrow field of their study. Someone with a PhD is by definition an expert in how their academic field works in addition to their research specialism champ. Thanks for playing anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 PhD isn’t usually achieved just through exams though? It’s showing applied learning and won’t just be given out to anyone. You’re contributing something that hasn’t been done before aren’t you? Like research in a specific field. Maybe I’m wrong? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 40 minutes ago, ali_91 said: Tonnes of folk who do things professionally don’t give off expert vibes either in fairness. Derek Ferguson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 On 24/07/2020 at 13:47, virginton said: Two points of clarification needed here after reading multiple pages of frankly disturbing back and forths over yours truly. 1) The sole reason why I referred to myself as a 'qualified historian' was because @Bairnardo was beginning to depict historical academia as being a hivemind consisting of a single 'mainstream' argument running against 'alternatives' such as conspiracy theories and, the topic of debate at that time in the thread, holocaust denial. It is therefore relevant to cite my contribution as that of a qualified historian because that involves being trained in the field's research methodology as well as spending an inordinate amount of time studying and condensing how history is actually written (historiography). We go through that mind-numbing pish so that lay people can just pick up a decent book or two and go with it. And to Bairnardo's credit, he was prepared to row back from those lay judgments in the face of this expertise. It was and will be just about the only context in which the qualified aspect will be relevant to a debate but I'll take the victory lap nonetheless. Nothing underlines your failed Desmond learning experience at Strathclyde quite like conflating a permaraging bigot like John Young with the king of smooth himself. Or thinking that the latter would be seen dead at a 'cheese and wine event'. Other than that though, a solid 1/10 effort. I got 18 out of 20 for my historiography exam in my final year which was my best result in four years of studying Aberdeen's pubs, sorry, history 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I have an old hospital friend who I have a lot of respect for. He's a retired philosophy lecturer and is politically left wing. His take on cancel culture backed up mie, and he shared the following article with me. I don't profess to be particularly intellectual but I think I'm pretty good at getting to the heart of issues. Can anyone deconstruct the arguments put forward here? https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/10/why-i-signed-the-harpers-cancel-culture-letter/ -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 SPIKED 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, pandarilla said: I have an old hospital friend who I have a lot of respect for. He's a retired philosophy lecturer and is politically left wing. His take on cancel culture backed up mie, and he shared the following article with me. I don't profess to be particularly intellectual but I think I'm pretty good at getting to the heart of issues. Can anyone deconstruct the arguments put forward here? https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/10/why-i-signed-the-harpers-cancel-culture-letter/ nhBoykVLqYObn6Q9.mp4 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I too have left wing friends who link me to websites funded by the Koch brothers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 This is what I mean. I'm phoning Panda's school to demand he never does cover in the social studies department. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 So far, it's a no then. Playing the man and not the ball is all I'm seeing here. -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Just now, pandarilla said: So far, it's a no then. Playing the man and not the ball is all I'm seeing here. It's a woman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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