WoSFL Premier Division thread

[BANKIEBILL]

18 minutes ago, jimbaxters said:

The Junior Cup has had too much respect this year in particular the two legged semi but it's not the only factor. There will always be an imparity in league games played at the latter stages of any season. Chelsea are seeing that in the EPL. The argument should not be about cup competitions it should be about scheduling league matches midweek at times when the weather is good. Especially that the league is in the west of Scotland, an area hardly known for it's balmy climate. 

The season extension is a necessary evil but the other clubs shouldn't allow Darvel to have matches after everyone is finished. The last day fixtures must be changed en masse. Kennie will do that, you'll see.

I see ... Well I await the wailing of the Pollok treasurer when he has to refund their game sponsorship monies if they can't do a midweek game. It will have to be following midweek as the playoffs start on 18th May. This is amateur hour.  

[Lynchmob11]

The WOS playoff representative ,if there actually are any ,are not due to play their first fixture in the play offs until the 21st of May so there is no reason the league  season could not be extended for all clubs to bring them in line with Darvels final fixtures.

Only time will tell if common sense prevails.

[lokforever]

 

[HibeeJibee]

20 minutes ago, Lynchmob11 said:

The WOS playoff representative ,if there actually are any ,are not due to play their first fixture in the play offs until the 21st of May so there is no reason the league  season could not be extended for all clubs

... but if there isn't a West participant it becomes 2 leg playoff EOSL v SOSL whose 1st leg is 3 days before that, in D&G rather than Broxburn, and not going to a penalty shootout if ends drawn.

[Vanderbilt]

23 minutes ago, Lynchmob11 said:

The WOS playoff representative ,if there actually are any ,are not due to play their first fixture in the play offs until the 21st of May so there is no reason the league  season could not be extended for all clubs to bring them in line with Darvels final fixtures.

Only time will tell if common sense prevails.

Play off is on the 18th 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

3 hours ago, jimbaxters said:

Disagree. Although the two legged semi has had an impact and needs binned, it's the lack of midweek games earlier in the season that causes this. Having said that, Darvel's poor playing surface caused call offs and I also think the clubs prefer not to have midweek games as Saturday revenue is always more attractive. Reckon @Kennie needs to be stronger next season by pointing to this carry on and just get the games in.

However having said all that one still feels making glib remarks about Clydebank should always be the go to posting method.

Well some clubs prefer to not have their season disrupted by optional cups? Surely in the interests of fairness clubs entering the optional cup should have to play minimum of 2 midweek games (at home or away to another optional cup team) extra to make up for the loss of saturdays to the optional cup? 

[Lynchmob11]

24 minutes ago, Vanderbilt said:

Play off is on the 18th 

The WOS team are not scheduled to play until Tuesday 21st May in the play offs.

League could be extended until Wednesday the 15th of May in line with Darvels final game still giving sufficient time for all play off scenarios to be decided.

[FairWeatherFan]

18 minutes ago, Lynchmob11 said:

The WOS team are not scheduled to play until Tuesday 21st May in the play offs.

League could be extended until Wednesday the 15th of May in line with Darvels final game still giving sufficient time for all play off scenarios to be decided.

 

46 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

... but if there isn't a West participant it becomes 2 leg playoff EOSL v SOSL whose 1st leg is 3 days before that, in D&G rather than Broxburn, and not going to a penalty shootout if ends drawn.

As pointed out by HJ the first fixture differs depending on if its a 2 team playoff or a 3 team playoff. These have the potential to be the biggest games of the year for the teams involved and want to get tickets shifted and hospitality sorted sooner than later. Not do a late scramble because the West couldn't gets its finger out to finish the season on time.

[timeforchange]

1 hour ago, Lynchmob11 said:

The WOS playoff representative ,if there actually are any ,are not due to play their first fixture in the play offs until the 21st of May so there is no reason the league  season could not be extended for all clubs to bring them in line with Darvels final fixtures.

Only time will tell if common sense prevails.

Problem is solved some are wanting the clubs who still have games to play and need to catch up too play Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and so on till caught up it’s actually very laughable. I wonder what they would want if they had actually won their cup ties and got through to the latter stages of them all

[Vanderbilt]

1 minute ago, timeforchange said:

Problem is solved some are wanting the clubs who still have games to play and need to catch up too play Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and so on till caught up it’s actually very laughable. I wonder what they would want if they had actually won their cup ties and got through to the latter stages of them all

Clydebank not likely to be involved in Junior Cup semis are they?

[Casper Wilson]

46 minutes ago, Vanderbilt said:

Clydebank not likely to be involved in Junior any Cup semis are they?

Fixed it for you.

[Casper Wilson]

1 hour ago, Lynchmob11 said:

The WOS team are not scheduled to play until Tuesday 21st May in the play offs.

League could be extended until Wednesday the 15th of May in line with Darvels final game still giving sufficient time for all play off scenarios to be decided.

Really?

I'll look forward to the shitstorm that brings. Telling clubs they'll be idle on Saturday but they'll all be playing on the Wednesday.

Mind you,  probably help with the clash of the Old Firm game.

It is the West of Scotland after all.

[Vanderbilt]

36 minutes ago, Casper Wilson said:

Fixed it for you.

Apart from being in the West Final last season eh Alex?

[Arthurlie1981]

A couple of points. 
 

1. Clubs should be told that there is 2 rounds of midweek fixtures to start the season to assist with planning at the end of the season

2. Why are we playing the WOS Cup final this weekend. You know that you have a date to finish the league so why not wait until after then. 
 

3. As much as the 2 legged semi finals brought crowds and attention it cannot be allowed to happen again with the impact on the fixtures. 
 

 

4. There is also an impact at the bottom with the (unlikely) scenario that Glens might not be completely safe and know what they need to do. 

[Vanderbilt]

6 minutes ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

A couple of points. 
 

1. Clubs should be told that there is 2 rounds of midweek fixtures to start the season to assist with planning at the end of the season

2. Why are we playing the WOS Cup final this weekend. You know that you have a date to finish the league so why not wait until after then. 
 

3. As much as the 2 legged semi finals brought crowds and attention it cannot be allowed to happen again with the impact on the fixtures. 
 

 

4. There is also an impact at the bottom with the (unlikely) scenario that Glens might not be completely safe and know what they need to do. 

Far too sensible 

[jimbaxters]

6 minutes ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

A couple of points. 
 

1. Clubs should be told that there is 2 rounds of midweek fixtures to start the season to assist with planning at the end of the season

2. Why are we playing the WOS Cup final this weekend. You know that you have a date to finish the league so why not wait until after then. 
 

3. As much as the 2 legged semi finals brought crowds and attention it cannot be allowed to happen again with the impact on the fixtures. 
 

 

4. There is also an impact at the bottom with the (unlikely) scenario that Glens might not be completely safe and know what they need to do. 

Great post that.

[FairWeatherFan]

1 minute ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

2. Why are we playing the WOS Cup final this weekend. You know that you have a date to finish the league so why not wait until after then.

With SCC and SJC having end of season dates prioritised. I'm going to guess there's a worry of a conflict in participants dragging things out.  Can't remember which one but didn't a recent SJC have a team idle for close to a month?

Its one of those things where the SCC and SJC status quo undercuts the WoSFL in many respects. The League takes a cut from both the League Cup and Strathclyde Cup. Because of the SJC status as a Scottish Cup qualifier the Strathclyde Cup is a poor imitation to what it could be. The League Cup playing 3rd fiddle.

[timeforchange]

4 hours ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

A couple of points. 
 

1. Clubs should be told that there is 2 rounds of midweek fixtures to start the season to assist with planning at the end of the season

2. Why are we playing the WOS Cup final this weekend. You know that you have a date to finish the league so why not wait until after then. 
 

3. As much as the 2 legged semi finals brought crowds and attention it cannot be allowed to happen again with the impact on the fixtures. 
 

 

4. There is also an impact at the bottom with the (unlikely) scenario that Glens might not be completely safe and know what they need to do. 

Your points are all good points but there is no way you can tell how well clubs will do in cup ties or how the weather will be over the winter 

point 1 you play some midweek games at start of season and get knocked out all the cups in the first round with no weather problems and your finished early 

point 2 The west of Scot cup final is being played this weekend as it’s the only date that is safe for playing at Broadwood because the ladies teams play out of there and they presumably will have priority 

point 3 The 2 leg semi finals are okay as long as you are not in other cups that are being played around the same time and you are involved in them also 

point 4 It looks like if your club is successful in cup ties and get through to the later stages of all the cups you are punished for being successful 

there is so many scenarios that change every season and not always the same clubs involved that it’s very hard for the fixture secretary to predict and with lots of restrictions on dates etc that are hampering the process. If you have an Astro facility for example most of your games will be on and if you have lights that would help also but then you have that the 2 teams have to agree any fixture swaps which doesn’t help either if a team has 3 games left and a team has 10 games why would the team with 3 agree to a swap and let the team with 10 games be forced to play 3 games in 7 days although there is some who would like teams to be playing Monday , Tuesday and Wednesday which in our new professional set up doesn’t make sense and there is nobody in the SPFL who would do it but that’s what some want senseless  

[Arthurlie1981]

1 minute ago, timeforchange said:

Your points are all good points but there is no way you can tell how well clubs will do in cup ties or how the weather will be over the winter 

point 1 you play some midweek games at start of season and get knocked out all the cups in the first round with no weather problems and your finished early 

point 2 The west of Scot cup final is being played this weekend as it’s the only date that is safe for playing at Broadwood because the ladies teams play out of there and they presumably will have priority 

point 3 The 2 leg semi finals are okay as long as you are not in other cups that are being played around the same time and you are involved in them also 

point 4 It looks like if your club is successful in cup ties and get through to the later stages of all the cups you are punished for being successful 

there is so many scenarios that change every season and not always the same clubs involved that it’s very hard for the fixture secretary to predict and with lots of restrictions on dates etc that are hampering the process. If you have an Astro facility for example most of your games will be on and if you have lights that would help also but then you have that the 2 teams have to agree any fixture swaps which doesn’t help either if a team has 3 games left and a team has 10 games why would the team with 3 agree to a swap and let the team with 10 games be forced to play 3 games in 7 days although there is some who would like teams to be playing Monday , Tuesday and Wednesday which in our new professional set up doesn’t make sense and there is nobody in the SPFL who would do it but that’s what some want senseless  

I agree, that given the climate in Scotland you can’t always predict weather etc, but you can give yourself the best possible chance of finishing on time (remember this is about having to go beyond the date the league was due to finish). 
 

In regards to cups, I agree it does feel like you’re punished for being successful, but there are things that could have been done to mitigate this. And on Broadwood availability, the league have decided that all finals are to take place at Broadwood, they don’t have too, and alternative venues could be found if availability is an issue. It is nuts it is scheduled for this weekend when we are not going to get the league finished by the original date.
 

Kennie had a hard job herding the cats to get the league done, but more could and should be done by the wider league to make things easier. There is no 1 size fits all and clubs are always going to be disadvantaged (had always been that way) but we shouldn’t be in the position where clubs, could, be given an unfair advantage. 

[Hawkeye the Gnu]

1 hour ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

I agree, that given the climate in Scotland you can’t always predict weather etc, but you can give yourself the best possible chance of finishing on time (remember this is about having to go beyond the date the league was due to finish). 
 

In regards to cups, I agree it does feel like you’re punished for being successful, but there are things that could have been done to mitigate this. And on Broadwood availability, the league have decided that all finals are to take place at Broadwood, they don’t have too, and alternative venues could be found if availability is an issue. It is nuts it is scheduled for this weekend when we are not going to get the league finished by the original date.
 

Kennie had a hard job herding the cats to get the league done, but more could and should be done by the wider league to make things easier. There is no 1 size fits all and clubs are always going to be disadvantaged (had always been that way) but we shouldn’t be in the position where clubs, could, be given an unfair advantage. 

I’ve got agree with most of that. 
It appears that for many years the more successful teams in cup competitions have been compromised in the league.
Surely there must be a way of organising league fixtures in a more competent way than having clubs having to play three games in consecutive weeks