Cowden Cowboy Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Just now, glensmad said: As I said, time will tell. The LL would never have let B teams in without that assurance - the bigger issue going ahead for the LL champions will be bronze licence requirements - especially in respect of their ground 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 3 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said: The LL would never have let B teams in without that assurance - the bigger issue going ahead for the LL champions will be bronze licence requirements - especially in respect of their ground As I said, time will tell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Absolute Imposter Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 2 hours ago, glensmad said: To be fair it was clear from the outset point of the formation of the WoSFL that a Scottish FA Licence would be required for promotion to the Lowland League. That has always been set in stone. But as per usual from the SFA, the goalposts are continually moving; not disagreeing with the newer requirements like floodlights, and now we have this suspension wi no date on it opening up. That's where the problem lies just now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 3 minutes ago, An Absolute Imposter said: But as per usual from the SFA, the goalposts are continually moving; not disagreeing with the newer requirements like floodlights, and now we have this suspension wi no date on it opening up. That's where the problem lies just now. There is a well-publicised date for it opening up, i.e. after this year's AGM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Absolute Imposter Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 32 minutes ago, glensmad said: There is a well-publicised date for it opening up, i.e. after this year's AGM. oh soz wasn't aware or more likely wasn't paying attention. There obviously will be changes to entry, bronze and maybe other items, otherwise why have a review. As long as the new changes are not there to be a barrier to clubs obtaining or even upgrading the license. Yes I am always suspicious of the SFA's intentions and end game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Absolute Imposter Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 2 hours ago, Shanner said: It's not really undermining anyone. Hypothetically you could have a team with no intention of seriously pursuing promotion or a licence spending the money they're saving on that process on their playing squad. Not very good for the integrity of things. Win the league, get your trophy and if that's the height of your ambition then it shouldn't really be a problem if another side steps up to the plate That's possibly where the responsibility lies with the individual league to issue penalties to clubs that are not pursuing their license in a reasonable time frame. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Absolute Imposter Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 1 hour ago, Cowden Cowboy said: The LL would never have let B teams in without that assurance - the bigger issue going ahead for the LL champions will be bronze licence requirements - especially in respect of their ground To be honest at the time it looked like the LL where bending over backwards to accommodate the B teams, but that's another issue. In any form of life were you have a license system or an annual registration there are continual reviews and updates of requirements to keep certification. Would be remiss of any licensing authority not to 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 1 hour ago, glensmad said: As I said, time will tell. This is the relevant part of the agreement as amended in 2021 and agreed by all 4 parties involved. “SLFL Champion” means the club playing in the SLFL in any Season (excluding any ‘Guest’, ‘colt’, ‘B’ ‘second’, ‘reserve’ or like or equivalent team which is part of a Club participating in the same Season in the SPFL and which shall not, under any circumstances, be considered to be eligible to receive the title of SLFL Champion or any other title related to its position in said league, or qualify for or be eligible for participation in the Pyramid Play-Off Competition at the end of any such Season) which is declared the Champion club of the SLFL based on the criteria specified in the rules of the SLFL; 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) The rules for the ‘lower play off’ are “Qualifying Clubs” means the champion club or clubs from within the Qualifying Leagues which are eligible for promotion to the SLFL in terms of the rules of the SLFL. Eligibility is being SFA licensed. The qualifying leagues would need to change their rules to be that there champions were the highest finishing licensed club to ensure a play off case. But I don’t believe that could be voted through or have credibility with the league’s members. Beith finish top they are not going to accept not being declared champions for example The Lowland League rules specify only champion clubs are eligible to gain membership Edited April 17 by Cowden Cowboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanderbilt Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 19 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said: This is the relevant part of the agreement as amended in 2021 and agreed by all 4 parties involved. “SLFL Champion” means the club playing in the SLFL in any Season (excluding any ‘Guest’, ‘colt’, ‘B’ ‘second’, ‘reserve’ or like or equivalent team which is part of a Club participating in the same Season in the SPFL and which shall not, under any circumstances, be considered to be eligible to receive the title of SLFL Champion or any other title related to its position in said league, or qualify for or be eligible for participation in the Pyramid Play-Off Competition at the end of any such Season) which is declared the Champion club of the SLFL based on the criteria specified in the rules of the SLFL; It would make sure clubs got licensed! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 19 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said: The rules for the ‘lower play off’ are “Qualifying Clubs” means the champion club or clubs from within the Qualifying Leagues which are eligible for promotion to the SLFL in terms of the rules of the SLFL. Eligibility is being SFA licensed. The qualifying leagues would need to change their rules to be that there champions were the highest finishing licensed club to ensure a play off case. But I don’t believe that could be voted through or have credibility with the league’s members. Beith finish top they are not going to accept not being declared champions for example The Lowland League rules specify only champion clubs are eligible to gain membership Good to see that on the thread as it reminds us of what's what re promotion. Clearly the LL needs to amend the rule so that it reads something along the lines of say: “Qualifying Clubs” means the champion club highest placed SFA Licenced clubs from within the Qualifying Leagues which are eligible for promotion to the SLFL in terms of the rules of the SLFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 The possibility of the WoS failing to provide a licenced club to compete in the LL promotion play-offs needs to be addressed and, if a change of wording by the LL, somehow just cannot be done, then the WoS may consider making the top division "all licenced clubs" in say five seasons time? Wouldn't be popular though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clansman Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) Being cynical, promotion to Lowland league would mean certain clubs having to give up their SJFA membership. Would someone who had a top position in SJFA and WoSFL want to expand the way for clubs to be promoted or penalise unlicenced clubs who help keep them there. Edited April 17 by clansman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 3 hours ago, Dev said: The possibility of the WoS failing to provide a licenced club to compete in the LL promotion play-offs needs to be addressed and, if a change of wording by the LL, somehow just cannot be done, then the WoS may consider making the top division "all licenced clubs" in say five seasons time? Wouldn't be popular though. They have already considered it and rejected it before even getting to a vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 6 hours ago, Shanner said: It's not really undermining anyone. Hypothetically you could have a team with no intention of seriously pursuing promotion or a licence spending the money they're saving on that process on their playing squad. Not very good for the integrity of things. Win the league, get your trophy and if that's the height of your ambition then it shouldn't really be a problem if another side steps up to the plate Well it is, because you're looking at this solely from a West perspective. There's 3 leagues going for one spot. Not just the WoSFL. Why should another league's champion face a random team that just gets nominated because of a bit of paper? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmparkheroes Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 If Hearts B had topped LL , EK would still be in the playoffs as an eligible club. Not quite the same, but not a lot different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 5 minutes ago, holmparkheroes said: If Hearts B had topped LL , EK would still be in the playoffs as an eligible club. Not quite the same, but not a lot different. EK would still be in the play-offs as the champion of the Lowland League. Want to rewrite the league rules that the highest placed licenced club is the WoS Premier have at it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 I have to agree that the rules should change to highest placed licenced club within the top 3 positions. So for example Beith win the league, it goes to second, and then third to find a licenced club for the play-off. If there are none, then no play-off participant. Should have been that from day one really to remove "blockers" from the equation. It can't be any more unfair than a club finding themselves in the fortunate position of auto promotion to the LL due to no licenced Champion in the other two leagues and therefore no play-off at all. A fortune of circumstance/timing. You'd hope that eventually the rule would become redundant anyway as more clubs become licenced. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanner Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) 8 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: Well it is, because you're looking at this solely from a West perspective. There's 3 leagues going for one spot. Not just the WoSFL. Why should another league's champion face a random team that just gets nominated because of a bit of paper? in what way does this actually undermine anything? whst are you saying is devalued? Nobody's saying they should face a random team - it's the highest-placed team satisfying all the criteria for promotion. Giving the East teams a free hit at promotion against an SOS side as we currently do is a bit farcical in itself as they're benefiting from the WOS winners lack of a bit of paper as you put it. Edited April 18 by Shanner 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Just now, Shanner said: in what way does this actually undermine anything? whst are you saying is devalued? Nobody's saying they should face a random team - it's the highest-placed team satisfying all the criteria for promotion. Giving the East teams a free hit at promotion against an SOS side as we currently do is a bit farcical in itself. 1v1v1 1v2v2 1v9 1v1 1v5 It's not a free hit for any team. Teams play out an entire season and you want to boil it down to what amounts to a one-off game with a random draw on home field advantage. How about focusing on greater promotion to the Lowland League instead of re-arranging deck chairs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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