RiG Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 On 15/06/2024 at 11:51, Enigma said: It’s a non-starter for a couple of reasons unfortunately, capacity on the main line is one, demolishing and rebuilding a section of the A1 another. Limited political will for it too, according to Iain Gray when somebody I know spoke to him about it. Yeah the capacity on the ECML is the big one. A recent study talked about building a station on the north side of the A1 from Haddington rather than trying to bring it into the town and / or remodel the A1 as that would be far easier and cheaper. On 15/06/2024 at 12:05, Mark Connolly said: Bit of a detour to run it through Haddington though badumtish.gif 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) 15 minutes ago, RiG said: Yeah the capacity on the ECML is the big one. A recent study talked about building a station on the north side of the A1 from Haddington rather than trying to bring it into the town and / or remodel the A1 as that would be far easier and cheaper. I’m sure the cited capacity issues on the ECML are as much to do with the limitations imposed by the bottleneck that results from the Carlton Tunnel as much as just the amount of trains running on that section of line, at least that what somebody who seemed in the know told me. You end up the problem that if you could build on the north side of Haddington of what kind of service would the station actually end up with, and if you’re building out of town anyway what benefit are you actually deriving from the costs of doing so when Longniddry and Drem stations are only a 10 minute drive away anyway. Edited June 17 by Enigma 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philpy Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, Enigma said: I’m sure the cited capacity issues on the ECML are as much to do with the limitations imposed by the bottleneck that results from the Carlton Tunnel as much as just the amount of trains running on that section of line, at least that what somebody who seemed in the know told me. You end up the problem that if you could build on the north side of Haddington of what kind of service would the station actually end up with, and if you’re building out of town anyway what benefit are you actually deriving from the costs of doing so when Longniddry and Drem stations are only a 10 minute drive away anyway. Would I be right in saying most of the route of the old longniddry to Haddington line is built over these days anyway?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiffRaff Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 23 minutes ago, philpy said: Would I be right in saying most of the route of the old longniddry to Haddington line is built over these days anyway?? Between the original station and the A1 it has been built over, from the A1 to Longniddry it is a cycle path. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, philpy said: Would I be right in saying most of the route of the old longniddry to Haddington line is built over these days anyway?? It would probably make more sense to do a line south of the road and meet up around Wallyford It would cost more but it would let you connect both Tranent and Haddington. Edited June 17 by topcat(The most tip top) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 hours ago, Enigma said: I’m sure the cited capacity issues on the ECML are as much to do with the limitations imposed by the bottleneck that results from the Calton Tunnel as much as just the amount of trains running on that section of line, at least that what somebody who seemed in the know told me. While Cyclists blame drivers and drivers blame cyclists, pedestrians grumble about both and everybody blames the council there's an underlying truth that many of the transport problems in Edinburgh are simply down to there being massive lumps of basalt getting in the way all over the centre of town 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEADOWXI Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 4 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: While Cyclists blame drivers and drivers blame cyclists, pedestrians grumble about both and everybody blames the council there's an underlying truth that many of the transport problems in Edinburgh are simply down to there being massive lumps of basalt getting in the way all over the centre of town So that would be the original city council planners that decided ' this will be a good place to build, those extinct volcanoes are barely noticeable'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 On 14/06/2024 at 11:17, RiffRaff said: I think that they looked into this a wee while ago but there wasn't enough capacity on the East Coast Mainline to accomodate any more trains. 20 trains a day from Drem to Waverley already would suggest that might be right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 A tunnel seems like the sensible option, takes the pressure off the East Coast Mainline... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 17 hours ago, Enigma said: I’m sure the cited capacity issues on the ECML are as much to do with the limitations imposed by the bottleneck that results from the Carlton Tunnel as much as just the amount of trains running on that section of line, at least that what somebody who seemed in the know told me. Portobello Jn is also an issue. When they electrified the ECML they reduced the number of tracks at Carlton tunnel. Dunbar was an issue until the new platform was put in as Northbound trains impacted southbound ones. The big problem is they can't run any more eclectic train on the ECML north of Berwick as the feeder station at Portobello is working at 125% capacity at the moment 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Actually looking properly (probably taking a throwaway comment too seriously!) but it might be better to link up the new Borders line at Newcraighall or Hardengreen to the (very) old Macmerry/Pentcaitland line into Haddington. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 17 minutes ago, Spyro said: Actually looking properly (probably taking a throwaway comment too seriously!) but it might be better to link up the new Borders line at Newcraighall or Hardengreen to the (very) old Macmerry/Pentcaitland line into Haddington. zero spare capacity on the Borders line 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ajwffc said: zero spare capacity on the Borders line Is it that busy already? I assume the things I have read about continuing to further south is out the question as it stands too? Although, totally forgot it also uses the busy part of the East Coast Mainline as well! Edited June 18 by Spyro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 39 minutes ago, Spyro said: Is it that busy already? I assume the things I have read about continuing to further south is out the question as it stands too? Although, totally forgot it also uses the busy part of the East Coast Mainline as well! the way it was built (was scaled back a lot in the end) means it is just able to cope with the current service 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 10 hours ago, ajwffc said: Portobello Jn is also an issue. When they electrified the ECML they reduced the number of tracks at Carlton tunnel. Dunbar was an issue until the new platform was put in as Northbound trains impacted southbound ones. The big problem is they can't run any more eclectic train on the ECML north of Berwick as the feeder station at Portobello is working at 125% capacity at the moment What was the thinking behind that? I often wondered if they reduced the number of tracks after the line to Easter Road / Abbeyhill was shut. Edited June 18 by RiG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 4 minutes ago, RiG said: What was the thinking behind that? I often wondered if they reduced the number of tracks after the line to Easter Road / Abbeyhill was shut. The tunnels weren’t tall enough at the sides to fit the wires 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 As a wee comparison; Benidorm to Alicante by tram. 28 miles, 45 minutes, €2.40. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 From the park and ride at Edinburgh airport to the city on the tram it's £2. From the actual airport to the city it's £7.50. £5.50 extra for one stop. It's criminal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 10 minutes ago, Soapy FFC said: From the park and ride at Edinburgh airport to the city on the tram it's £2. From the actual airport to the city it's £7.50. £5.50 extra for one stop. It's criminal. Did the 36 or one of the regular service buses not got the airport before? At least it gave people with a bit of local knowledge the chance to use a normal priced service. Noticed that's stopped now and it's only the Airlink rip-off merchants or the trams that go there now. Poor show 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 13 minutes ago, Soapy FFC said: From the park and ride at Edinburgh airport to the city on the tram it's £2. From the actual airport to the city it's £7.50. £5.50 extra for one stop. It's criminal. Airport Public Transport Tax applies for both trams & buses. Edinburgh Airport is now owned by Blackrock after they bought Global Infrastructure Partners for approx. £10 billion. I'd imagine Larry Fink knows how to maximise profits. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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