Melanius Mullarkey Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 f**k sake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 I know the system in Glasgow isnt amazing (my son is there) but this plan isnt looking like bringing any decent and swift fixes. This "franchise" system they use in Manchester sounds ok, but unclear when it will be in operation in Glasgow. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68576448 Although far from perfect, thank f**k Edinburghs bus / tram company is still owned by the council as nobody is skimming cash for shareholders. My sister lives in Bath and the bus system there is even worse than Glasgow - expensive and infrequent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Every single place I've been with a high functioning public transport system has been publicly owned/run, I highly doubt that is coincidence. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 South Ayrshire council recently announced another delay (lol) to the work at Ayr train station. The status on the National Rail website has gone from saying “disruption expected until 25th March” as recently as a few days ago, to now saying “disruption expected until 2nd June”. By that point it will be over 8 months of replacement buses from Prestwick to Ayr and onto Girvan and Stranraer. A complete fucking mess. https://www.ayradvertiser.com/news/24204412.safety-work-ayrs-station-hotel-set-delays/ https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service-disruptions/ayr-20230925/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 6 hours ago, eez-eh said: South Ayrshire council recently announced another delay (lol) to the work at Ayr train station. The status on the National Rail website has gone from saying “disruption expected until 25th March” as recently as a few days ago, to now saying “disruption expected until 2nd June”. By that point it will be over 8 months of replacement buses from Prestwick to Ayr and onto Girvan and Stranraer. A complete fucking mess. https://www.ayradvertiser.com/news/24204412.safety-work-ayrs-station-hotel-set-delays/ https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service-disruptions/ayr-20230925/ Would have been faster to try and take it through parliament to get the category B listed status rescinded given it's highly unlikely anyone will restore it as was and in it's current state it's not worth preserving. I don't know how you strike a balance between stopping people burning down problematic buildings but also stop what is essentially a milestone round the councils neck costing them tax payers money to make it safe whilst also costing the public purse in terms of lost revenue on the train line. Maybe stricter ownership laws to stop absentee/ opaque owners taking the piss would help? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Ferguson Marine boss sacked as more ferry delays 'likely' - BBC News Turning into a neverending construction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Good News State ownership of public transport actually works... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 10 hours ago, Ray Patterson said: Good News State ownership of public transport actually works... Does it? The "dividend" returned by Lothian buses is a mere fraction of the money they receive for their Bus Services Operating Grant. The reality is that there are very few bus services that pay for themselves and the vast majority of journeys are subsidised so Lothian returning money back to the councils would suggest that they are being over subsidised rather than making a profit through genuine revenue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 15 minutes ago, strichener said: Does it? The "dividend" returned by Lothian buses is a mere fraction of the money they receive for their Bus Services Operating Grant. The reality is that there are very few bus services that pay for themselves and the vast majority of journeys are subsidised so Lothian returning money back to the councils would suggest that they are being over subsidised rather than making a profit through genuine revenue. According to 2022 accounts, grant income was ~£2.2m based on 98m journeys which suggests they got ~£2.4m based on the 2023 110m journeys - the subsidy per journey is tiny. Regardless of that, every well run transport system in the world is subsidised to one level or another (see Germany, France etc). If Lothian Buses didnt exist and the system was run by Stagecoach or whatever, they would get the same grant income per journey, but any "excess cash" would go to private shareholders. But the underlying point that @Ray Patterson makes is valid imo. - The only transport systems that appear to work well for punters are those which are in public ownership. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted Wednesday at 17:37 Share Posted Wednesday at 17:37 Madness: Edinburgh Bus Station could be 'lost' over lease decision - BBC News Edinburgh’s central bus station could be relocated to Ingliston Edinburgh’s bus station could be forced to relocate after its owners told the city council its lease would not be extended. Coal Pension Properties, which manages investments for former coal workers’ pension schemes, could look to sell the Elder Street site for housing. The local authority’s tenancy of the transport hub is due to expire in 2027. No replacement site has been identified, but the council’s transport spokesperson admitted the facility could be “lost”. Councillor Scott Arthur the authority was “considering his options”. He said he was “disappointed that such a modern and well used piece of Edinburgh’s substitutable transport infrastructure may be lost”. It is understood Ingliston Park and Ride could be used as a temporary measure if the station were to close, though councillors would prefer a site closer to the city centre. The 18-stance station originally opened in 1957, but closed in 2000 as part of a £50m redevelopment project which also included the Harvey Nichols department store. A row over the fees for operators to use the station briefly threatened its reopening, with plans drawn up to move it to the nearby Waverley Railway Station in order to connect buses with train services. However it became operational again in February 2003 – four months after its initially scheduled completion date. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted Wednesday at 20:32 Share Posted Wednesday at 20:32 2 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Madness: Edinburgh Bus Station could be 'lost' over lease decision - BBC News Edinburgh’s central bus station could be relocated to Ingliston Edinburgh’s bus station could be forced to relocate after its owners told the city council its lease would not be extended. Coal Pension Properties, which manages investments for former coal workers’ pension schemes, could look to sell the Elder Street site for housing. The local authority’s tenancy of the transport hub is due to expire in 2027. No replacement site has been identified, but the council’s transport spokesperson admitted the facility could be “lost”. Councillor Scott Arthur the authority was “considering his options”. He said he was “disappointed that such a modern and well used piece of Edinburgh’s substitutable transport infrastructure may be lost”. It is understood Ingliston Park and Ride could be used as a temporary measure if the station were to close, though councillors would prefer a site closer to the city centre. The 18-stance station originally opened in 1957, but closed in 2000 as part of a £50m redevelopment project which also included the Harvey Nichols department store. A row over the fees for operators to use the station briefly threatened its reopening, with plans drawn up to move it to the nearby Waverley Railway Station in order to connect buses with train services. However it became operational again in February 2003 – four months after its initially scheduled completion date. I wonder what the Council's stance on planning permission for houses would be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted Wednesday at 22:30 Share Posted Wednesday at 22:30 1 hour ago, Soapy FFC said: I wonder what the Council's stance on planning permission for houses would be. Nah, politicians would never be so petty, eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted Thursday at 05:35 Share Posted Thursday at 05:35 9 hours ago, Soapy FFC said: I wonder what the Council's stance on planning permission for houses would be. One of the items under consideration by the council is compulsory purchase which would be amusing............ I'm not sure that the Coal pension scheme isnt simply trying to extract a larger rent post 2027. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted Thursday at 07:56 Share Posted Thursday at 07:56 That coal pension scheme really is the pits! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted Thursday at 07:58 Share Posted Thursday at 07:58 1 minute ago, Enigma said: That coal pension scheme really is the pits! They’re looking after their pensioners interests so props to them 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted Thursday at 09:06 Share Posted Thursday at 09:06 1 hour ago, Enigma said: That coal pension scheme really is the pits! 1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: They’re looking after their pensioners interests so props to them They're going to shaft the Cooncil. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandmac Posted Thursday at 14:04 Share Posted Thursday at 14:04 20 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Madness: Edinburgh Bus Station could be 'lost' over lease decision - BBC News Edinburgh’s central bus station could be relocated to Ingliston Edinburgh’s bus station could be forced to relocate after its owners told the city council its lease would not be extended. Coal Pension Properties, which manages investments for former coal workers’ pension schemes, could look to sell the Elder Street site for housing. The local authority’s tenancy of the transport hub is due to expire in 2027. No replacement site has been identified, but the council’s transport spokesperson admitted the facility could be “lost”. Councillor Scott Arthur the authority was “considering his options”. He said he was “disappointed that such a modern and well used piece of Edinburgh’s substitutable transport infrastructure may be lost”. It is understood Ingliston Park and Ride could be used as a temporary measure if the station were to close, though councillors would prefer a site closer to the city centre. The 18-stance station originally opened in 1957, but closed in 2000 as part of a £50m redevelopment project which also included the Harvey Nichols department store. A row over the fees for operators to use the station briefly threatened its reopening, with plans drawn up to move it to the nearby Waverley Railway Station in order to connect buses with train services. However it became operational again in February 2003 – four months after its initially scheduled completion date. Ingliston would be fine if the price of your bus ticket gave you 1 free onwards trip on the tram to the centre but,let's face it,that won't happen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted Thursday at 14:50 Share Posted Thursday at 14:50 45 minutes ago, highlandmac said: Ingliston would be fine if the price of your bus ticket gave you 1 free onwards trip on the tram to the centre but,let's face it,that won't happen That would almost imply an integrated public transport system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandmac Posted Thursday at 22:01 Share Posted Thursday at 22:01 7 hours ago, Soapy FFC said: That would almost imply an integrated public transport system. What can I say,I'm a dreamer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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