Billy Jean King Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Brother Blades said: Therese Coffey away apparently. Sacked or did you intend to post in the Dead Pool ??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callum-g Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, Brother Blades said: Therese Coffey away apparently. Resigned apparently…… before she was pushed I’d say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 You don't have to be in the Commons or Lords to get a Cabinet job, though it's frowned upon. Labour put Trade Unionist Frank Cousins in their 1964 Cabinet although he didn't enter the commons until a 1965 by-election win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 33 minutes ago, RH33 said: How can an unexpected person be given a ministerial job? I thought you had to be elected.....oh wait it's the Tories, rules don't apply to them. FWIW there's never been a time when ministers had to be elected and most departments have always had a junior minister in the Lords. What's less common is a secretary of state - a cabinet minister - not in the House of Commons. Last time that happened was under Labour, when Gordon Brown appointed Peter Mandelson as Business Secretary and Andrew Adonis as Transport Secretary. This is the kind of thing that happens in a country with no formal constitution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orfc Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 To be honest, you look at what Sunak's got to pick from in the commons - the same 2nd rate ministers or an array of sex-pest Brexity MPs and it's a shrewd move 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, KirkieRR said: You don't have to be in the Commons or Lords to get a Cabinet job, though it's frowned upon. Labour put Trade Unionist Frank Cousins in their 1964 Cabinet although he didn't enter the commons until a 1965 by-election win. Cousins was one of two members of that cabinet that were neither MPs nor Lords, the last time this has happened. Patrick Gordon-Walker was, amazingly, Foreign Secretary despite losing his seat at the election. In January 1965 he stood in a by-election, lost, and resigned. His 1964 election loss in Smethwick was the campaign famous for the slogan used against him "If you want a n***er for a neighbour, vote Labour." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/15/britains-most-racist-election-smethwick-50-years-on Edited November 13, 2023 by GordonS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Tories hoping Cameron brings home the bacon rather than fucking it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 350 MPs, and Sunak looked at them and decided that none of them were up to the job, so wheeled out Cameron. Jeezo! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, GordonS said: Cousins was one of two members of that cabinet that were neither MPs nor Lords, the last time this has happened. Patrick Gordon-Walker was, amazingly, Foreign Secretary despite losing his seat at the election. In January 1965 he stood in a by-election, lost, and resigned. His 1964 election loss in Smethwick was the campaign famous for the slogan used against him "If you want a n***er for a neighbour, vote Labour." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/15/britains-most-racist-election-smethwick-50-years-on I wouldn't be suprised if Sunak resurrects that slogan at the next election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, scottsdad said: 350 MPs, and Sunak looked at them and decided that none of them were up to the job, so wheeled out Cameron. Jeezo! It feels a lot like Celtic giving Neil Lennon the managerial job in a desperate ploy to keep fans onside. It won’t work out obviously, but maybe some of your Tories who just want poor people murdered without all the racism being said out loud will like it for a bit. I guess what I’m saying is that, given being elected isn’t actually necessary, make Neil Lennon the foreign secretary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 One thing about appointing Cameron - if he hadn't the news would be all about Braverman. Journalists would be camped outside her house waiting for some sort of scathing response/backlash. Instead she isn't even the headline. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 I thought Cameron was the worst PM this country ever had. Then along came May, Johnston, Truss and Sunak. I almost look back at the Cameron years as a bit of a golden age now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Darren Grimes is seriously weird. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Just now, RiG said: Darren Grimes is seriously weird. Be fair to him. He posted that using only his left hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Looking forward to the Tory leadership bloodbath after the GE. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Nicky Morgan was also an unelected peer after resigning as an MP. De peffel appointed her as Culture Secretary after making her a life peer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, GordonS said: FWIW there's never been a time when ministers had to be elected and most departments have always had a junior minister in the Lords. What's less common is a secretary of state - a cabinet minister - not in the House of Commons. Last time that happened was under Labour, when Gordon Brown appointed Peter Mandelson as Business Secretary and Andrew Adonis as Transport Secretary. This is the kind of thing that happens in a country with no formal constitution. Yeah I called my dad to have a chat about it as Cameron isn't even in Lords. He explained back in the 19th century (off top of his head @virginton being our resident historian can maybe save googling) a prime minister who wasn't an MP was installed. Thing is a shambles, and burying news of forcing more disabled people into work, conviently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, houston_bud said: Any idea who the last member of the Lords to hold one of the great offices of state was? I'm not counting Alec Douglas Home as he resigned from the Lords to take up the position of PM. 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: I think Lord Carrington was already in the Lords when he took the blame for the Falklands. 2 hours ago, RH33 said: How can an unexpected person be given a ministerial job? I thought you had to be elected.....oh wait it's the Tories, rules don't apply to them. More common than you'd think in modern era, but not recent decades... Cameron follows Halifax, Douglas-Home, Partick Gordon-Walker and Carrington as non-MP Foreign Secretaries since WWII. 3 minutes ago, RH33 said: He explained back in the 19th century a prime minister who wasn't an MP was installed. Last non-MP PM left office 1902: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gascoyne-Cecil,_3rd_Marquess_of_Salisbury Edited November 13, 2023 by HibeeJibee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Greenpeace might as well disband now that the Tories have solved the climate emergency by appointing Steve Barclay 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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