101 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Ross. said: The Swiss have a disappointingly small amount of dirty money these days. It’s almost all Deutsch Bank and London. Sorry to hear that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 the west have royaly shat it here 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Detournement said: Boris wasn't PM then. It was May. Who was Foreign Secretary ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Ross. said: The Swiss have a disappointingly small amount of dirty money these days. It’s almost all Deutsch Bank and London. Has the Credit Suisse leak not been in the news over there? https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/feb/20/credit-suisse-secrets-leak-unmasks-criminals-fraudsters-corrupt-politicians 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 18 minutes ago, welshbairn said: That helicopter looks like it’s been around since ‘Nam. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 This is on the Guardian live blog Quote Boris Johnson used his TV address to the nation to eloquently express his outrage at the invasion of Ukraine, and his faith that in time democracy and freedom will prevail. “I don’t believe that the Russian dictator will ever subdue the national feeling of the Ukrainians and their passionate belief that their country should be free,” he said, in Churchillian tones. It is what you would expect, and these are words that almost all British politicians would endorse. A free press indeed! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: I doubt Putin wants to establish a formal superstate along USSR lines. He's already got Belarus, Armenia (and Azerbaijan?), plus the Eurasians under varying degrees of Russian influence and prioritises their governments suppressing internal opposition. He attacked in Georgia when it struck-out and has done so in Ukraine, initially over Crimea and now more broadly. He couldn't handle the Baltic states in the same way as they belong to NATO. How many ex-Soviet states have we left... Moldova? Do you think they'll do a programme for this one? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Detective Jimmy McNulty said: All the first thing would do is hand Putin a propaganda victory and possibly endanger foreign journalists in Russia. The other things won't happen for obvious reasons. RT is propaganda. It was firmed to literally serve as the Kremlin’s propaganda outlet. Put it on for twenty minutes and you’ll get stories about Canada funding Ukrainian nazis to poison Russian drinking water. I’m all for keeping it on, but only because it’s hilarious. what it does do - very well - is use non Russians to propagate and legitimise Putin’s tactics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Detournement said: This is on the Guardian live blog A free press indeed! Churchillian tones from a bumbling scarecrow. Seems legit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, Lex said: A lot of this is to do with internal Russian politics, it is a poor country and Putin's popularity has been waning. A good war and him becoming a conquering hero restoring post glories gets his approval ratings back through the roof again, a good war spirit is also good for the economy. I'm not saying he's going into these countries next week or something. It took eight years between the annexation of Crimea and the invasion of Ukraine. Point is he now knows he can invade any country that is not in NATO and get away with it. So, why wouldn't he? Funnily enough, your whole post could pretty much be turned around to include many in the West, none more so than our very own blighty. Record amounts using foodbanks, record amounts homeless, energy increases, huge food price inflation and tax hikes pushing millions under the poverty and severe poverty line. A war would also be good to deflect from the corrupt and illegal doings of our Government and their hangers on.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Bit of T-cut and a service... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, virginton said: There is no such thing as internal Russian politics, at least one that concerns popularity and approval ratings. This is all just armchair, pop-psychology, wishful thinking from Western 'analysts' keen to portray its government as bending to popular approval because that's how democracies work. There certainly is, and Putin was spooked by those protests in Belarus last year, so he helped put them down. A mass uprising like that is not that unlikely in Russia. This distracts from any chance of that. 12 minutes ago, virginton said: Thousands of Russian sons coming home in urns because of the Kievan Rus is not a masterful vote-winner either. Won't happen though, cause they will win this war easily with minimal casualties. There will be a big victory parade in Red Square by the end of next month and Vlad will be the hero of the day. 12 minutes ago, virginton said: Lol wut Military Industrial Complex? 12 minutes ago, virginton said: Because the strategic and security benefits for invading fucking Kyrgyzstan are nowhere near as high as opposed Ukraine - while the very real costs remain in place. That's how rational actors work and there's no reason to believe that Putin's worldview is irrational. There's plenty of strategic benefits to all those central Asian countries for Russia, especially when it comes to dealing with China and India. The cost will be relatively low too - much lower than Ukraine - there's no defences in any of those nations that would stand up to invasion and surrender would be quick. Your point seems to be that he will successfully invade Ukraine and then stop and this will all go away, maybe you will be right. If he did that he certainly would be bucking the historical trend of militaristic invading dictators who've had a taste of victory. What was it old Neville said? 'i believe it is peace for our time and we should go home and get a nice quiet sleep'? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, AlbionSaint said: Please tell me that chump didn't actually say that! The absolute fucking buffoon. Yes, he's pathetic. Johnson, Truss and Wallace have just been full of aggressive nonsensical sabre rattling rhetoric since this carry on started. But, when push comes to shove it's all showboating grandstanding nonsense and the reality is we've put some pointless sanctions on a couple of lowly acquaintances of Putin. I'm sure that's showed em who's Boss !!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Already this thread has a right "Coronavirus (Covid-19)" feel about it -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, AlbionSaint said: China's view of the situation: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Funnily enough, your whole post could pretty much be turned around to include many in the West, none more so than our very own blighty. Record amounts using foodbanks, record amounts homeless, energy increases, huge food price inflation and tax hikes pushing millions under the poverty and severe poverty line. A war would also be good to deflect from the corrupt and illegal doings of our Government and their hangers on.... Think there's some kind of conspiracy between the west and putin here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 One good thing to come from all this has been my new awareness of Estonia’s Prime Minister, Kaja Kallas: 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: Already this thread has a right "Coronavirus (Covid-19)" feel about it We’re gonna need bigger masks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Won't happen though, cause they will win this war easily with minimal casualties. There will be a big victory parade in Red Square by the end of next month and Vlad will be the hero of the day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Starting world war 3 is the second worst thing Joma have done after the 2018 St Johnstone kit. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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