Deposit Return Recycling Scheme

[sophia]

9 minutes ago, orfc said:

Well If you don't want to be called a tory don't try and argue against the supply and use of universal services because that's what tories do. I take it you're against insurance too as some people just claim and others pay in and get nothing, it's communism I tell you

PS Glass and metal are made from oil? Even if they're made with energy from oil, the point of recycling is the energy use further on is less. You've arsed this argument up all ends.

The supply and use of universal services?

It's more akin to road tax. I wouldn't suggest that it should be mutualised.

Your consumption is your own regard and I wish you good luck with that.

[Musketeer Gripweed]

3 minutes ago, Honest Saints Fan said:

Lidl have planning permission to build one in Dingwall.

It's a start, but you get my point. There are a lot of rural areas of Scotland that people will need to drive from to do their recycling. Kinda defeats the purpose a bit at the moment, but they do have to get it off the ground somehow, but a 50 mile round trip to reclaim £3 in empies won't work.

I have no idea where the nearest one to me is, or is planned at the moment.

[sophia]

2 minutes ago, Musketeer Gripweed said:

It's a start, but you get my point. There are a lot of rural areas of Scotland that people will need to drive from to do their recycling. Kinda defeats the purpose a bit at the moment, but they do have to get it off the ground somehow, but a 50 mile round trip to reclaim £3 in empies won't work.

I have no idea where the nearest one to me is, or is planned at the moment.

Nobody will undertake such a journey just for recycling. The activity would take place at the same time as the big shop just as it is at the moment for items that the Highland council don't pick up kerbside.

 

[Musketeer Gripweed]

2 minutes ago, sophia said:

Nobody will undertake such a journey just for recycling. The activity would take place at the same time as the big shop just as it is at the moment for items that the Highland council don't pick up kerbside.

 

I am only playing Devil's advocate here, because essentially it is a good idea, but how many people who buy a carry out at the weekend, or drink Red Bull by the case actually do the big shop every week?

[Leith Green]

I am pretty glad this is being shelved.

I already recycle glass (todays blue bin was full, its been a good couple of weeks on the sauce !) but bottles are fucking heavy and I cant really see auld wifies (like my mum) taking a bag of empties up to Morrisons to get a few quid back.

Actually, I could see my mum doing it as she drives - but what about punters with no motor? Seems a bit unfair.

It seems an expensive sledgehammer to crack a nut.

[Wee Bully]

9 hours ago, Musketeer Gripweed said:

I am only playing Devil's advocate here, because essentially it is a good idea, but how many people who buy a carry out at the weekend, or drink Red Bull by the case actually do the big shop every week?

They still go to the shop to get the carry out / case of Red Bull. You don’t need a “big shop” to take the cans back. 

Edited April 19, 2023 by Wee Bully

[itzdrk]

On 18/08/2022 at 10:55, Jambomo said:

No, you are spectacularly reaching for a reason to be annoyed about a very efficient scheme which is successfully in place in many countries.

Believe me, I have been that poor person in society, with the chaotic life. I understand perfectly what you go through and thing that cause additional hardships, this isn’t going to be one of them.

Can relate and agree here.  

[strichener]

10 hours ago, sophia said:

Nobody will undertake such a journey just for recycling. The activity would take place at the same time as the big shop just as it is at the moment for items that the Highland council don't pick up kerbside.

 

And if you have your shopping delivered?

[Wee Bully]

1 minute ago, strichener said:

And if you have your shopping delivered?

Then I will bet you that the delivery company will take your cans away for a fee. 

[itzdrk]

11 hours ago, sophia said:

Why should others that don't consume as much as you pay the same as you and why should you pay more for what you don't consume?

That's very Tory. 

[Molotov]

Just now, itzdrk said:

That's very Tory. 

It’s the same kind of argument some people with no kids have towards paying full council tax on property as why should they fund schools. 
 

They likely also have a kindle and buy their books direct from Amazon so why should they fund libraries?

 

[Benjamin_Nevis]

10 hours ago, sophia said:

The supply and use of universal services?

It's more akin to road tax. I wouldn't suggest that it should be mutualised.

Your consumption is your own regard and I wish you good luck with that.

Road Tax was binned in the 1930s btw 

[Salt n Vinegar]

1 hour ago, Wee Bully said:

Then I will bet you that the delivery company will take your cans away for a fee. 

We already recycle as much as we can, via the Council kerbside collection schemes, but will be hit by the 'not going to the shops much' issue as we get most of our shopping delivered. 

It would be good if the home delivery companies DID take away the empties and pay back the deposit, but I've not heard that aspect mentioned in any coverage of the new scheme. I suppose there's time yet, but I think increasing the costs for the companies won't go down well, as the companies' additional costs will presumably be spread across all customers whether they use the return scheme or not. 

[vikingTON]

No compelling case has been made by clownshoe Slater for why we should not simply continue and expand existing kerbside/local collection facilities, rather than implementing from scratch a nonsense deposit scheme 'because Germany' and giving cushy posts and six figure salaries to the nonsense organisation to process that scheme. We already have 80% of the infrastructure in place - just fucking complete and fund that properly instead. 

[Musketeer Gripweed]

1 hour ago, Wee Bully said:

They still go to the shop to get the carry out / case of Red Bull. You don’t need a “big shop” to take the cans back. 

Again though, that takes us back to the location of the recycling units. When does it become practical to make such a trip to claim back £2 in empties when spending more than that on fuel if you stay in the sticks? Not very green, is it?

[razamanaz]

Has this been mentioned by the SG - maybe I'm being naive here but as I will be taking the empties back to the shop to get my deposit returned, therefore the local council don't have to employ binmen and dustcarts - will my council tax be reduced?

It's like the self-service tills in the supermarkets - you do the work for no-one's benefit but them

[strichener]

2 hours ago, Wee Bully said:

Then I will bet you that the delivery company will take your cans away for a fee. 

That's not the point of the scheme though.  You pay 20p extra to encourage you to recycle, if you then have to pay a fee for said recycling then it really just becomes a method of making money for the businesses such as supermarkets.

This is really a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.  I am not seeing loads of fly tipping of evian bottles at every layby.  Where does this lunacy end?  A cotton tax, cardboard tax or any other material that we don't have a choice when purchasing goods?

[Salt n Vinegar]

18 minutes ago, strichener said:

That's not the point of the scheme though.  You pay 20p extra to encourage you to recycle, if you then have to pay a fee for said recycling then it really just becomes a method of making money for the businesses such as supermarkets.

This is really a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.  I am not seeing loads of fly tipping of evian bottles at every layby.  Where does this lunacy end?  A cotton tax, a cardboard tax or any other material that we don't have a choice when purchasing goods?

That's a fair point. If everyone who got a delivery from Amazon had to pay an additional quid on each item for the cardboard packaging which they could only get back by taking it to the big depot in Dunfermline, it would be only slightly more ridiculous than asking a disabled OAP with no transport to take her recycling to an ASDA a few miles away or lose money. 

[Soapy FFC]

Whilst all this talk is about the SG introducing a DRS, people will obviously be aware that the UK Gov will be introducing one across England, Wales and NI in October 2025, so a delay in Scotland until then will probably end up happening.

[RH33]

How is this different to the council bins?