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1 hour ago, ScotiaNostra said:

I think Forbes blunder helps Regan, I presume Regan voted for same sex marriage. Its probably not enough to win but enough to show just how unpopular Yousaf is as a candidate

Aye, but she's also running on a more Toryesque platform regarding zero carbon transition, which is likely to not be that popular with the membership. She won't engage with the principle of protecting devolution as she doesnt like the GRR, which is an issue. That and accepting the current vendor bid on dualling the A9 seems to be where she is. Will he interested to see where she goes on other social/economic issues but my impression is she is to thr right of the younger, more left leaning part of the membership and more in tune with the traditional Salmondnistas, which would make her a great leader of Alba...

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Just now, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:

A politician being honest and folks want her to tell lies or hide her religious beliefs. Never saw that coming.

Very happy she was honest, means she has torched her own campaign and someone who holds those views won't be leading the country.

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4 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:

A politician being honest and folks want her to tell lies or hide her religious beliefs. Never saw that coming.

Nope, glad she was true to herself to her own detriment.  She deserves credit for not lying and then maybe acting different when in position.  

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20 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:

A politician being honest and folks want her to tell lies or hide her religious beliefs. Never saw that coming.

Literally no-on has wanted her to tell lies or hide her religious beliefs. Nice straw man argument, though.

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I must admit I haven't paid too much attention in recent years to the rise of Kate Forbes. I suspect many in the electorate are the same, she has a much lower profile generally than others. I'd never even heard of Ash Regan until this contest.

All I get now is that she's against self-identification and against gay marriage. Which, strangely, are two key pillars of the government she is a part of.

On GRR, the fact she thought she could side-step having to resign over the issue because she was on maternity leave just speaks of lack of character. If she felt she couldn't support it, she should have quit. That fact she didn't, and is now openly saying she disagreed with the policy, is really weak. This has Boris Johnson flying off around the world when the Heathrow vote came up all over it.

On gay marriage - this issue was settled years and years ago. When the likes of David Cameron are on the right side of this argument and you are not, something is really wrong here.

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3 minutes ago, ScotiaNostra said:

If it happens that only Yousaf gets enough backing by Friday does he become leader and FM automatically?

I think so but the candidates only need a hundred nominations from members each so it's a low hurdle.

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3 minutes ago, ScotiaNostra said:

If it happens that only Yousaf gets enough backing by Friday does he become leader and FM automatically?

Nope, the 'backing' from MP/MSP is inconsequential and purely an endorsement. Any potential candidate requires a minimum of 100 party member signatures across at least 20 different branches in order to stand, then the leader is decided by a straightforward one member one vote election.

The only way Humza becomes leader on Friday is if every other eligible candidate bows out, and I can't see Regan doing that even if Forbes does, because she is clearly totally uninterested in engaging in the process and is standing for no other reason than she wants to create a scene.

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5 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said:

Nope, the 'backing' from MP/MSP is inconsequential and purely an endorsement. Any potential candidate requires a minimum of 100 party member signatures across at least 20 different branches in order to stand, then the leader is decided by a straightforward one member one vote election.

The only way Humza becomes leader on Friday is if every other eligible candidate bows out, and I can't see Regan doing that even if Forbes does, because she is clearly totally uninterested in engaging in the process and is standing for no other reason than she wants to create a scene.

That at least avoid the scenario theres no debate or vote which would put Yousaf on the backfoot even more if he gets the job

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2 minutes ago, Gaz said:

Literally no-on has wanted her to tell lies or hide her religious beliefs. Nice straw man argument, though.

Correct. 

As far as I'm concerned folk can believe what they like. Someone might believe that they are Elvis Presley reborn, or that mumbling some words over an oatcake will turn it into the body of William Wallace, or that the Earth is less than 6000 years old, or that that dinosaurs and humans co-existed. As far as belief goes, they can crack on. However, if they seek support from the electorate for the chance to advance a wider political career, not only would I not vote for him or her, I wouldn't be particularly happy about sitting next to him or her on the bus. 

IMO Forbes body-swerved the equal marriage point in the interview I heard; given her reported views, if she had been in a position to vote for or against it at the time and if the vote had been a close one she would presumably have argued against marriage rights and voted against it. Her response on the buffer zones issue was evasive and wooly as while she said that she supported the right to abortion, I'd like to hear her view on so-called prayer vigils which are part of the buffer zones issue. No doubt the praying crowd would deny they are threatening or intimidating anyone.

The fact that like most religious folk (again, IMO) take a pick 'n mix approach to their "faith" means that most Christians pay no attention to the shellfish stuff, the mixed fibres stuff, or the killing witches stuff but, oddly, the obsession with marriage, sex and the boaby remains.  Weird. 

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