alta-pete Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Jeremy Cinnamon? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 7 hours ago, The Other Foot said: I’m not suggesting for one instance that the P&B Official Hamster would win in a nationwide vote for Scottish leader, but I think the omission from this particular ballot has ‘bigotry’ written all over it. The OP would do well to familiarise himself with the hamster and his substantial ouevre. P-Bovvy is female. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Other Foot Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Richey Edwards said: P-Bovvy is female. Don’t you pigeon-hole him/her. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 On 17/02/2023 at 19:21, Brother Blades said: I like the fact that there are different views & voices heard in the running of a country, every Green MSP has the same right to be there as any SNP MSP. The shite that happens with FPTP tells you that any Scottish government going forward ( Indy) should have a more representative government than Westminster, sadly if that even means listening to Tories (god forbid). There's no real benefit of having a formal coalition though - to either party. The SNP have to pretend that nonsense like Lorna Slater's daft recycling scheme is a sensible government priority right now, while the Greens have to abandon huge chunks of their own agenda. A confidence and supply deal would have been better for both parties, while also providing greater representation/influence over government decisions for all parties at Holyrood instead of the coalition deciding everything. The Labour-Lib Dem coalition was rancid and this isn't much better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Humza being the first big player to declare interest is... disappointing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: Humza being the first big player to declare interest is... disappointing. Regan also confirming she intends to stand At this point it's looking like there might only be four candidates because Robertson is seemingly reluctant and I don't know if McAllan will believe she can get adequate support If it's Humza, Keith Brown, Forbes, and Regan, then that's extremely disappointing. I will not vote for Forbes or Regan on a point of principle, Brown is bonkers, and although Humza is quite charismatic I have serious concerns about his competence. My vote would be Robertson or McAllan if either stand, but if neither do I will have to decide whether I can seriously entertain voting for Humza, and if not it'll be an abstention. If Forbes or Regan are the new leader I'll be resigning my membership and voting Green 1st preference in SGE from now on. Fortunately my SNP Westminster MP is an all-around top lad and I will happily vote for him for as long as he is willing to continue to stand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 6 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: Humza being the first big player to declare interest is... disappointing. Not a very inspiring choice of leader should he get it, though I would give him or any leader a fair chance once its decided. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Surely whoever gets the gig should be given every chance to demonstrate what they could be capable of achieving for Scotland and for the Indy cause? Talk of resigning if you don't get who you want is pathetic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, virginton said: There's no real benefit of having a formal coalition though - to either party. The SNP have to pretend that nonsense like Lorna Slater's daft recycling scheme is a sensible government priority right now, while the Greens have to abandon huge chunks of their own agenda. A confidence and supply deal would have been better for both parties, while also providing greater representation/influence over government decisions for all parties at Holyrood instead of the coalition deciding everything. The Labour-Lib Dem coalition was rancid and this isn't much better. Slater seems quite poor at doing the bottle scheme though at least she is trying to do something, its another example of something being difficult to do in UK or Scotland but not anywhere else in europe. What does Harvie actually do, it seems to be pretty much nothing Edited February 19, 2023 by ScotiaNostra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Surely whoever gets the gig should be given every chance to demonstrate what they could be capable of achieving for Scotland and for the Indy cause? Talk of resigning if you don't get who you want is pathetic. Nonsense Any party that elects a leader who believes a person's sexual orientation or gender identity is perfectly reasonable grounds for discriminating against them and denying them what should be universal rights, is not a party I want to be a member of. It's nothing to do with perceived ability as a leader, it's a basic point of principle. I absolutely believe in anyone's right to do whatever the hell they like within the law, observe their religion etc, but I wouldn't keep friends who were openly homophobic or transphobic because I have a right not to entertain them even though I believe in personal liberty. People wouldn't join UKIP or the old BNP because of Farage's personal politics Nick Griffin's stated beliefs, nobody would claim they were being 'pathetic', so you can away and f**k if you think I'm going to accept the SNP appointing someone who is completely at odds with their stated liberal, progressive identity as a party. Appointing Denham/Regan would be a disaster because it would immediately alienate the bulk of the young support the SNP has built up. Forbes, would likely be able to keep her personal beliefs separate from politics, but that doesn't make the fact that she does not believe in same sex marriage rights or women's reproductive rights any less distasteful, nor does it excuse appointing her to lead the party. Edited February 19, 2023 by Boo Khaki 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 I'm not sure about Regan. She can't expect loyalty from MSPs given that she resigned from the front bench and failed to support a significant policy from the manifesto. I'm well aware that religion is a serious issue, but you don't have to look very hard to find problems when religion and politics mix. I'll be interested to see how Forbes deals with the questions she will inevitably face. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 35 minutes ago, ScotiaNostra said: Slater seems quite poor at doing the bottle scheme though at least she is trying to do something, its another example of something being difficult to do in UK or Scotland but not anywhere else in europe. What does Harvie actually do, it seems to be pretty much nothing He absolutely winds the shit out of all the right people, simply by being openly bisexual it seems. So he's worth his tiny wee weight in gold for that alone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 21 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: He absolutely winds the shit out of all the right people, simply by being openly bisexual it seems. So he's worth his tiny wee weight in gold for that alone. I didnt know that, hes such a non entity I know nothing about him. Id just have expected a bigger impact something more substantial to say thats what hes done to improve things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 22 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: He absolutely winds the shit out of all the right people, simply by being openly bisexual it seems. So he's worth his tiny wee weight in gold for that alone. This. The state he gets the countryside lobby into especially is magnificent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Regan won't get close to winning it, and she knows it. It's a spoiler candidacy. I think the SNP process on how much backing is required is designed to whittle the field down quickly. McAllan doesn't have enough experience I think. Forbes will need to work hard to convince people she isn't a bigot, if she stands at all. I'm wondering if others haven't declared, waiting to see if her or Robertson bother getting into it. Neil Gray would potentially be alright at it but lacks name recognition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 The only SNP figure over the last few years most people are properly aware of is Sturgeon, apart from a few snippets on the news from Swinney and Yousaf. I'm hoping the candidates all announce themselves this week and start hustings around the country and regular TV appearances so members get the knowledge and insight to make an informed opinion. I'm certainly not qualified to make a judgement at this stage, the only likely candidate who almost certainly won't be getting my vote is Regan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 17 hours ago, Derry Alli said: John Smeaton. I forgot he existed, and I was happier that way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, gannonball said: I forgot he existed, and I was happier that way. Gannon going in hard on Scotland's Smeaton - but John isn't bothered. He wants it harder. Edited February 19, 2023 by Derry Alli 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 I've voted SNP for most of my life because I believe Scotland should be an independent country within the EU First and fourmost all I want to hear from the next leader is how this can be best achieved and in the shortest possible time frame. When that happens there can be new elections in which all kinds of issues can be addressed. SNP. Remember what it says on the tin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Ash Regan has said that if pro-independence parties get more than 50% of votes in a Westminister or Holyrood election, she’ll use this as a basis to begin negotiations for independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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