The Very Meh Humza Yousaf Thread.

[houston_bud]

4 minutes ago, Rugster said:

Think that's so they don't have the 28 day limit to replacing him.

Yeah, that'll be right. They should've arranged someone (the likes of Swinney) to step in though.

They'll have another out in the open, leadership election, where they'll probably tear shreds off each other. 

Edit to include: I'm guessing Swinney was asked and said no.

Edited April 29 by houston_bud

[Raab]

Good Riddance to Humza. He wasn't lucky in the cards he was dealt, but he played them pretty badly too.

I'm a country bumpkin, off farming stock in Ayrshire, and over the last decade I'd describe myself as a centre right SNP voter.

TBH I've grown increasingly frustrated with the direction of the party, other than independence it's been harder and harder to actually relate to the party. It is at the point it's spoiled paper time should I be voting tomorrow. 

[renton]

You'd think they'll be trying to avoid another 4 week navel gazing job and just get someone crowned and in. 

It's basically whoever the central belt MPs think can save their bacon, and continuity isn't likely to be high on folk's agendas. 

Edited April 29 by renton

[ICTChris]

One interesting thing is that absolutely nobody has mentioned Angus Robertson as a potential leader.  Just totally gone from the conversation after being such a major figure.  

Jim Sillars on SKy just then saying he backed Kate Forbes, for what that's worth.

 

[scottsdad]

2 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Jim Sillars on SKy just then saying he backed Kate Forbes, for what that's worth.

 

That's her chances just taken a big dent

[Raab]

4 minutes ago, PogoStick said:

I’ve never related to the party, just voted on a single issue, that won’t change unless we get another independence party.

(weird Alba gimps do not apply)

and for me that is part of the problem. The lurch to the left has alienated a sizeable chunk of the broad church. 

I'm not voting Green or Alba, so I'm faced with voting for a party that I cannot relate to and don't really agree with.... hence spoiled paper. 

Being a centre right and pro-indy is not a good place to be just now from a voting stance. 

Edited April 29 by Raab

[GordonS]

3 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

One interesting thing is that absolutely nobody has mentioned Angus Robertson as a potential leader.  Just totally gone from the conversation after being such a major figure.  

 

That's because they know he'll never run. He's said before that he wouldn't put his family through that.

[Biscuits]

Independence seems absolutely miles away.  Doubt I’ll ever see it.

[flyingscot]

15 minutes ago, VictorOnopko said:

For someone who is basically a career politician, having never held a job outside politics after doing his degree in, er politics, Yousaf has shown himself to be a really bad politician. He's shown a terrible mix of vanity, hubris, randomness in announcing stuff without consulting anyone, and an inability to foresee the effects of his actions.

Comparisons to Liz Truss are off the mark because he hasn't actually tanked the economy - but he gave off the same air of being completely out of his depth and having a huge overestimation of his own abilities. Good riddance to him, and I say that as a Yesser.

How can you forget the few months work in a o2 call centre? No wonder he chose politics as his career. 

Truss did more damage, but as you say he was out his depth. I feel it was a bit of a poison chalice to come after Sturgeon 

[Sugar_Army]

2 hours ago, Alert Mongoose said:

I actually think the SNP are of the opinion that it would be better for another party to be leading the Scottish Government. With everything going just now with the economy etc (and probably over the next few years) no matter how competent you are, you are going to be hugely unpopular. It's a cowardly position but sadly I suspect it might be true.

This, however, is hilarious.  The Tories are finished in Scotland for the foreseeable future.

 

Douglas Ross of the Conservatives said "We saw off Sturgeon and now Yousaf'.

I think he is taking too much credit, as a linesman he can't even be trusted to see offside decisions without VAR!

[Melanius Mullarkey]

Ross couldnt see off his morning cornflakes the wimpy baw heided c**t.

[Salvo Montalbano]

7 minutes ago, renton said:

coronated

Mods, please. Heard enough of that non-word when Chuckles was getting his crown.

[Savage Henry]

What price Alba disbands, with every single member (all eight of them) reverting to the SNP, and the loonball dream team of Forbes and Ash Regan effectively doing Salmond’s bidding? 

[sparky88]

Looks like Alba/Salmond/Regan have massively overplayed their hand. 

[Melanius Mullarkey]

Just now, Savage Henry said:

What price Alba disbands, with every single member (all eight of them) reverting to the SNP, and the loonball dream team of Forbes and Ash Regan effectively doing Salmond’s bidding? 

Sleepy Cuddles time.

[VictorOnopko]

6 minutes ago, flyingscot said:

How can you forget the few months work in a o2 call centre? No wonder he chose politics as his career. 

Truss did more damage, but as you say he was out his depth. I feel it was a bit of a poison chalice to come after Sturgeon 

Fair dos, the equivalent of Gideon Osborne's towel-folding phase.

I thought Humza's speech was as expected - still quite smug in tone, did some Gaza grandstanding, could have done a deal to win the votes if he'd wanted.  OK, bye.

[GordonS]

I think we've forgotten that this is what happens to parties that have been in power too long. Leaders can only ever be forged in opposition. In government everyone that comes through the party has the support of a big infrastructure and then as Ministers they have the civil servants doing everything for them. They lack agency. They have to follow the party line and the communications plans - and the kind of people who take that route are happy to do it. Usually they've never had a job in the real world. As the leaders that got them to the top fall away, those left behind lack the skills and experience needed to replace them - and tougher still, to renew the party while it's in office.

The other thing that happens is you accumulate war wounds and those only heal in opposition. Ideological differences become insurmountable and you can no longer maintain a coalition wide enough to present a united front to the electorate and to keep enough voters on board. You also become bogged down by the weight of your mistakes, which are inevitable for anyone running anything this big.

In a normal country the SNP would have lost an election years ago and gone through this cycle but the opposition haven't been up to the job of taking them down, for many reasons.

Those fretting about seeing independence - maybe you will, maybe you won't. But these movements always come and go in waves and you just have to work so that each wave is bigger than the last. 

Edited April 29 by GordonS

[scottsdad]

[AyrExile]

37 minutes ago, houston_bud said:

Staying on while they have a leadership election doesn't seem like a wise move.

It's a masterstroke. This should see them avoid a snap election and time for things to calm down and steady the ship

[Harry Kinnear]

I was a member of the SNP for years but left the party about 2 years ago, I’m totally disillusioned with politics now. The party has lost their way and have focused on issues that the majority of the country couldn’t give a shit about instead of focusing on the real issues ordinary folk care about.

God knows who can sort the whole shit show out, the UK is an absolute mess and I’ve not got much faith that Labour will make things any better. I suppose at least Humza realised it was time to go unlike Sunak who hangs about like a bad smell.

Don’t think I’ll bother voting for a while.