HibeeJibee Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Still, at least Jenny Gilruth gives a clean break from Sturgeon-Yousaf continuity and Green beholdenness, a high public profile, and successful record in her 1yr at transport + 1yr at education... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 23 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: Give the Unionist, Butcher’s Apron flying, bootlicking cuck scum a chance at running things? Behave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 13 minutes ago, itzdrk said: Yeah I get this. I think the independence movement is in the right place to have some right wing freak do a placement as leader. In all seriousness, getting Tories to vote for independence is how Yes will win. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orfc Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Whoever's next just needs to get the Lib Dems on board for non-independence matters, they're pretty much Green but pragmatic about stuff not absolutist culture warriors. Would avoid the Alba thing. You can thank me later Kate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Behave. Genital inspectors won’t get enough seats, so your choices are way-past-their-sell-by-date SNP propped up by some other losers (possibly genital inspectors) or those beloved Yoons. Whether you vote or don’t vote, those are the choices. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 38 minutes ago, Lex said: Resigning at high noon then. What a cluster f**k this last few days has been, even by SNP standards. He clearly believed he was going to stay on as FM at the end of last week. The wise old men within the SNP have obviously had a word with him over the weekend and told him he's finished and here we are. The worst FM in Scottish history IMO. Indeed, he has been poor. But ,my god, anything better than a fascist .Tory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston_bud Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 40 minutes ago, Lex said: Resigning at high noon then. What a cluster f**k this last few days has been, even by SNP standards. He clearly believed he was going to stay on as FM at the end of last week. The wise old men within the SNP have obviously had a word with him over the weekend and told him he's finished and here we are. The worst FM in Scottish history IMO. I'm curious to know who these people are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Yousaf's first big f**k up as FM which was entirely of his own making rather than something inherited from Sturgeon was the council tax freeze. Aside from what anyone thinks of it as a policy, the implementation of it was shambolic and was done in a way which unavoidably pissed councils off as much as the policy itself, torching his relationship with COSLA when he'd not long signed a partnership agreement with them that was supposed to reset the relationship. This was made worse when Robison openly admitted that they'd pretty much come up with it on a whim because they needed a headline grabbing policy and hadn't costed it or really thought through the potential consequences at all. So we come to the final situation which has led to his resignation. It's obviously entirely understandable to want to get ahead of events with the Green membership calling an EGM to vote on the BHA, it makes sense to try to avoid the eventuality of looking weak through the junior partner being the one to end it. That the Greens were doing this certainly makes it fair to point out the petulance of their reaction since, even though their MSP group were all in favour of staying in. Once again though it seems to be a decision Yousaf has taken on a whim with no thought whatsoever given to the potential consequences. You can surely construct a means of the SNP ditching the agreement which isn't unilaterally deciding to sack them two days after you were publicly talking it up , which would have carried far less risk of the Greens turning against him the way they have. As embarrassing as some of their reactions have been, not foreseeing the possibility that they may not react kindly to this now they're an opposition party again or having a plan for it suggests someone who is genuinely incapable of taking a long term view or seeing the consequences of their actions, which is not exactly a desirable quality in a leader. Just as with the council tax freeze, doing it is one issue but the way he's gone about doing it is simply idiotic. He's always had a reputation for incompetence arising from previous ministerial posts, but this level of sheer naivety is something else. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Douglas Ross claiming to have seen off Nicola Sturgeon! I stayed in a Las Vegas hotel once, so I pumped multiple strippers, did enough cocaine to kill a rhinoceros, buried a prostitute in the desert, and both won and lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in the same night. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 The beleaguered statement that he made on Friday showed just out of touch he was. He said he never meant to upset the Scottish Greens as much as he had. As if he genuinely believed they would continue to prop him up after he had thrown them out of government and given their two leaders a £20k pay cut. He seemed shocked that they were ready to stick the knife in him at the no confidence vote. Almost felt sorry for him. The second he ended the BHA he was finished. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 35 minutes ago, houston_bud said: I'm curious to know who these people are. The closest thing the SNP have to the men in grey suits are the cabinet ministers that have been in Holyrood since 2007 or earlier. Namely Shona Robison, Fiona Hyslop, Shirley Anne Somerville and Jamie Hepburn. Wouldn’t surprise me if one or more of those grandees had a word with him over the weekend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 There's no need for the SNP to now be making any real concessions to anyone now. The Green's decision to vote no to Humza was a foot stamping reaction to the individual. They know full well that in a general election they would be back to one or two MSPs when Labour pick up more constituencies as the SNP sweep the lists. Even if it was Kate Forbes the best they will manage is abstention. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 17 minutes ago, JS_FFC said: The closest thing the SNP have to the men in grey suits are the cabinet ministers that have been in Holyrood since 2007 or earlier. Namely Shona Robison, Fiona Hyslop, Shirley Anne Somerville and Jamie Hepburn. Wouldn’t surprise me if one or more of those grandees had a word with him over the weekend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 54 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Yousaf's first big f**k up as FM which was entirely of his own making rather than something inherited from Sturgeon was the council tax freeze. Aside from what anyone thinks of it as a policy, the implementation of it was shambolic and was done in a way which unavoidably pissed councils off as much as the policy itself, torching his relationship with COSLA when he'd not long signed a partnership agreement with them that was supposed to reset the relationship. This was made worse when Robison openly admitted that they'd pretty much come up with it on a whim because they needed a headline grabbing policy and hadn't costed it or really thought through the potential consequences at all. So we come to the final situation which has led to his resignation. It's obviously entirely understandable to want to get ahead of events with the Green membership calling an EGM to vote on the BHA, it makes sense to try to avoid the eventuality of looking weak through the junior partner being the one to end it. That the Greens were doing this certainly makes it fair to point out the petulance of their reaction since, even though their MSP group were all in favour of staying in. Once again though it seems to be a decision Yousaf has taken on a whim with no thought whatsoever given to the potential consequences. You can surely construct a means of the SNP ditching the agreement which isn't unilaterally deciding to sack them two days after you were publicly talking it up , which would have carried far less risk of the Greens turning against him the way they have. As embarrassing as some of their reactions have been, not foreseeing the possibility that they may not react kindly to this now they're an opposition party again or having a plan for it suggests someone who is genuinely incapable of taking a long term view or seeing the consequences of their actions, which is not exactly a desirable quality in a leader. Just as with the council tax freeze, doing it is one issue but the way he's gone about doing it is simply idiotic. He's always had a reputation for incompetence arising from previous ministerial posts, but this level of sheer naivety is something else. The Verity House f**k up basically ended him as a credible politician 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Humza to shock everyone by saying this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Absolutely buzzing for the unilateral declaration of independence in a couple of minutes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Big comeback for the sign language woman from Covid. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorOnopko Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 (edited) For someone who is basically a career politician, having never held a job outside politics after doing his degree in, er politics, Yousaf has shown himself to be a really bad politician. He's shown a terrible mix of vanity, hubris, randomness in announcing stuff without consulting anyone, and an inability to foresee the effects of his actions. Comparisons to Liz Truss are off the mark because he hasn't actually tanked the economy - but he gave off the same air of being completely out of his depth and having a huge overestimation of his own abilities. Good riddance to him, and I say that as a Yesser. Lorna and Pat can p1ss off too. Edited April 29 by VictorOnopko 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 What do you do? Fleg flunky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston_bud Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Staying on while they have a leadership election doesn't seem like a wise move. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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