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[Jedi2]

What are the chances of Yousaf being replaced this year, with a Robertson or Keith Brown type figure and ditching the arrangement with the Greens?

[Trogdor]

Humza is toast after the General Election.

He's already framing it as the SNP winning the most seats (not a majority) being a good result. If the SNP win say 32 constituencies out of 57 (it drops from 59 this GE) it is still a pretty spectacular loss from the last GE when they won 48.

If the polls and the general mood are anything to go on I don't think the SNP vote is going to turnout as so many people are scunnered with the party. Meaning they will be up against it in a lot of constituencies. Especially if the unionist vote coalesces around Labour, as seems likely.

I genuinely think we need to take one step backwards to have a reset. Humza isn't the man to reset it, he's had long enough to do it and he is Mr Continuity. I had hoped he would break with the old regime and govern as a minority but alas he's a bit feart of that, for reasons I cannot understand.

Edited January 29 by Trogdor

[Wee Bully]

16 hours ago, Trogdor said:

Humza is toast after the General Election.

He's already framing it as the SNP winning the most seats (not a majority) being a good result. If the SNP win say 32 constituencies out of 57 (it drops from 59 this GE) it is still a pretty spectacular loss from the last GE when they won 48.

If the polls and the general mood are anything to go on I don't think the SNP vote is going to turnout as so many people are scunnered with the party. Meaning they will be up against it in a lot of constituencies. Especially if the unionist vote coalesces around Labour, as seems likely.

I genuinely think we need to take one step backwards to have a reset. Humza isn't the man to reset it, he's had long enough to do it and he is Mr Continuity. I had hoped he would break with the old regime and govern as a minority but alas he's a bit feart of that, for reasons I cannot understand.

Like 2017 when the SNP went from 56 to 35?  Did that result mean that Nicola was toast in 2017?  

[Trogdor]

1 hour ago, Wee Bully said:

Like 2017 when the SNP went from 56 to 35?  Did that result mean that Nicola was toast in 2017?  

I think you're comparing apples and pears with that one. Maybe show your workings?

[Jedi2]

You would indeed think that he would have to go after the GE..(current poll prediction SNP 25 Labour 24). 'If' that was indeed the result not sure how a 1 seat win can be spun as an 'achievement' (with a loss of 18 seats)

At a time when they knew that there were 'troubles ahead' (Branchform, Salmond, Covid Enquiry), they still chose to put the comedy act in as First Minister..at a time when they needed a serious leader Yousaf is who they thought could take the fall.

 

 

[Leith Green]

13 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

You would indeed think that he would have to go after the GE..(current poll prediction SNP 25 Labour 24). 'If' that was indeed the result not sure how a 1 seat win can be spun as an 'achievement' (with a loss of 18 seats)

At a time when they knew that there were 'troubles ahead' (Branchform, Salmond, Covid Enquiry), they still chose to put the comedy act in as First Minister..at a time when they needed a serious leader Yousaf is who they thought could take the fall.

Sure, as its absolutely nailed on that having Forbes or Regan would have resulted in a far better performance for the SNP in the upcoming GE...........................

 

[Wee Bully]

17 hours ago, Trogdor said:

I think you're comparing apples and pears with that one. Maybe show your workings?

Not entirely sure what you mean here?  I’m comparing apples with apples  

in the 2017 UK General Election, the SNP went from having 56 seats to having 35 (a loss of 21 seats).  The Tories took 13 seats in Scotland, all from the SNP. 
 

[Wee Bully]

16 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

You would indeed think that he would have to go after the GE..(current poll prediction SNP 25 Labour 24). 'If' that was indeed the result not sure how a 1 seat win can be spun as an 'achievement' (with a loss of 18 seats)

At a time when they knew that there were 'troubles ahead' (Branchform, Salmond, Covid Enquiry), they still chose to put the comedy act in as First Minister..at a time when they needed a serious leader Yousaf is who they thought could take the fall.

 

 

Again, a loss of 18 seats at a GE compared to NS’s loss of 21. She didn’t “have to go” so why would he? 

[Billy Jean King]

17 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

You would indeed think that he would have to go after the GE..(current poll prediction SNP 25 Labour 24). 'If' that was indeed the result not sure how a 1 seat win can be spun as an 'achievement' (with a loss of 18 seats)

At a time when they knew that there were 'troubles ahead' (Branchform, Salmond, Covid Enquiry), they still chose to put the comedy act in as First Minister..at a time when they needed a serious leader Yousaf is who they thought could take the fall.

 

 

Surely Sarwar would be out on his arse if the SNP still retain the most seats overall in Scotland. As it stands if Labour still trail the SNP at Westminster given their current momentum and the obvious opposite with the SNP it will be seen as a poor outcome especially given this will likely be the best position relative to the SNP they will ever go into an election with ?

 

I've no doubt HY will be punted after the election unless they perform much better than polls suggest but a reset then would see them on a firmer footing going forward. This is Labours open goal, their one big chance to gain the majority of seats in Scotland. If they cant do that this year they probably never will.

 

What is exactly is Labours target in Scotland in the GE ???

[Jedi2]

Given a current total of 2 Scottish seats, you would have to think that getting around 20 would be a 'good result' for Labour..they don't have to beat the SNP..its asking rather a lot to go from 43-2 down and overturn that in one election.

Doesn't matter if the SNP have had a meltdown or not..they still have a core vote who will turn out for them whatever they do, and that takes a long time to shift

[Freedom Farter]

1 hour ago, Jedi2 said:

Given a current total of 2 Scottish seats, you would have to think that getting around 20 would be a 'good result' for Labour..they don't have to beat the SNP..its asking rather a lot to go from 43-2 down and overturn that in one election.

Doesn't matter if the SNP have had a meltdown or not..they still have a core vote who will turn out for them whatever they do, and that takes a long time to shift

This next election is a UK election not a Scottish election. The only relevant matter to governance is how many seats Labour get not how many seats SNP get.

Starmer becoming the next PM is already a certainty therefore no longer the primary concern. The goal his supporters now have fixed in their sights, and which they're very open about, is this:

Well explained here: https://archive.ph/85iWn

I don't want them to achieve that. Therefore, because I live in an SNP/Labour marginal, I'll later this year be voting SNP.

There's complete incoherence between your criticism of SNP from a socialist perspective then your staunch backing of the Starmer movement, given its intent to kill off Labour party socialism.

[Jedi2]

I don't entirely have a 'staunch' backing of the Starmer project, as of course I would prefer to see a more socialist orientated Labour Party. No question that Starmer needs to both accept genuinely left wing voices in the party and try to work with them, not ostracise them. He also needs to be far more consistent on sticking to positions he takes up, and not try to row back on previously held pledges..there is no argument from me that he does that, and it needs to change.

I do have genuine concerns about the SNP's current vision for Independence..I am not now or ever have been, opposed to Independence as a better overall future for Scotland. However, I wouldn't want to see it potentially wasted by a near decade of austerity, but rather to hear more left orientated voices in the SNP speaking up, and making the case, not for a 'socialist paradise' as I don't think its realistic they would do that, but at least for a prospectus which doesn't look to put the bankers, multinationals and big business interests in the driving seat.

 

[Jedi2]

I don't think Sarwar would be 'out on his ar*e' if Labour increased their Scottish seats from 2 to say 20. It would give him something to build on for the Holyrood election.

Yousaf has committed himself to a majority of seats means we are Independent line though....he has a far riskier time with that..if the SNP 'don't' win most seats, how far back does that set the campaign?

Even losing around 20 seats for Yousaf couldn't be spun as a ' we still did well'

[Freedom Farter]

11 minutes ago, Jedi2 said:

I don't entirely have a 'staunch' backing of the Starmer project, as of course I would prefer to see a more socialist orientated Labour Party. No question that Starmer needs to both accept genuinely left wing voices in the party and try to work with them, not ostracise them. He also needs to be far more consistent on sticking to positions he takes up, and not try to row back on previously held pledges..there is no argument from me that he does that, and it needs to change.

I do have genuine concerns about the SNP's current vision for Independence..I am not now or ever have been, opposed to Independence as a better overall future for Scotland. However, I wouldn't want to see it potentially wasted by a near decade of austerity, but rather to hear more left orientated voices in the SNP speaking up, and making the case, not for a 'socialist paradise' as I don't think its realistic they would do that, but at least for a prospectus which doesn't look to put the bankers, multinationals and big business interests in the driving seat.

 

Ok, thanks for that clarification.

[Frank Quitely]

5 hours ago, Billy Jean King said:

Surely Sarwar would be out on his arse if the SNP still retain the most seats overall in Scotland. As it stands if Labour still trail the SNP at Westminster given their current momentum and the obvious opposite with the SNP it will be seen as a poor outcome especially given this will likely be the best position relative to the SNP they will ever go into an election with ?

 

I've no doubt HY will be punted after the election unless they perform much better than polls suggest but a reset then would see them on a firmer footing going forward. This is Labours open goal, their one big chance to gain the majority of seats in Scotland. If they cant do that this year they probably never will.

 

What is exactly is Labours target in Scotland in the GE ???

I expect quite a number of seats where the turnout will be shocking, due to a combo of a sizeable disaffected SNP vote opting out and a similarly large segment of the electorate completely underwhelmed by Labour.

[MazzyStar]

4 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

I don't entirely have a 'staunch' backing of the Starmer project, as of course I would prefer to see a more socialist orientated Labour Party. No question that Starmer needs to both accept genuinely left wing voices in the party and try to work with them, not ostracise them. He also needs to be far more consistent on sticking to positions he takes up, and not try to row back on previously held pledges..there is no argument from me that he does that, and it needs to change.

I do have genuine concerns about the SNP's current vision for Independence..I am not now or ever have been, opposed to Independence as a better overall future for Scotland. However, I wouldn't want to see it potentially wasted by a near decade of austerity, but rather to hear more left orientated voices in the SNP speaking up, and making the case, not for a 'socialist paradise' as I don't think its realistic they would do that, but at least for a prospectus which doesn't look to put the bankers, multinationals and big business interests in the driving seat.

 

The Labour Party with Starmer as leader is beholden to Paedo Mandelson and Tony Blair, so I don’t think it’s the SNP you should be worried about “putting bankers, multinationals and big business interests in the driving seat”. 

[Jedi2]

1 minute ago, MazzyStar said:

The Labour Party with Starmer as leader is beholden to Paedo Mandelson and Tony Blair, so I don’t think it’s the SNP you should be worried about “putting bankers, multinationals and big business interests in the driving seat”. 

#decadeofausterity

[MazzyStar]

3 minutes ago, Jedi2 said:

#decadeofausterity

Yes, that is probably what would happen with Starmer as PM

[RuMoore]

Starmer would kick f**k out of Corbyn in a scrap. 

Just saying. 

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Leave it Jez, he ain't worth it.