Nicola Sturgeon Arrested, Peter Murrell Charged

[Wee-Bey]

Having a normal one it seems.

Edited April 21 by D Angelo Barksdale

[DeeTillEhDeh]

[welshbairn]

On 20/04/2024 at 22:49, SandyCromarty said:

Best you take time to carefully examine how an English aristocratic cuckold fool decided on Indian Independence  and Partitioned Pakistan and later Bangladesh because he acted on the advice of his wife who was fuckin Indian PM Nehru and totally ignored Muslim Jinnah who represented the millions of Muslims who were subsequently slaughtered. 

It was Jinnah who insisted on Partition against the wishes of Britain and Nehru. The Muslim League that he led threatened war if it didn't come about.

Edited April 22 by welshbairn

[Jedi2]

17 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

Obviously I stand always by my beliefs while at the same time I cannot believe  how fellow Scots defend their English masters who gives them the crumbs for the wealth that is stolen from their country.

Ah, it's the old 'M15 Conspiracy' conclusion then.

I assume that a Fundraiser of party members and supporters to cover Pete's legal costs is already up and running, in tandem with the new Fund for Indy Campaigning.

 

Edited April 21 by Jedi2

[velo army]

Just catching up on the thread here as I was mildly interested in how oor Nic was getting on.

Lots of masturbatory chat and accusations of slavery apologism, with @BFTD hurt to find himself out of the loop regards the former. 

This place is more mental than the TA board, and I don't say that lightly.

[coprolite]

On 19/04/2024 at 10:08, coprolite said:

I haven’t seen anyone on here defend him. There’s not even been much whataboutery. 

 

On 19/04/2024 at 11:35, strichener said:

A reread of the thread will quickly dispel this notion.  I await chief conspirator @SandyCromarty  coming along to tell us which individuals in MI5 are responsible for this obvious framing job.

 

On 19/04/2024 at 12:13, coprolite said:

No way in hell I’m subjecting myself voluntarily to this entire thread again.

I was meaning specifically since he got charged yesterday though. maybe there was and I missed it. I’m aware that the dissonance has been too much for some before.

i’m torn between thinking that it would be bad for trust in politics if he’s actually done it and thinking that it would be hilariously tinpot to skim donations for a campervan. (Not that I’m suggesting anything about the probability that anything untoward has occurred or not, you understand)

 

 

18 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

Peter Murrels embezzlement charge achieves nothing for the silly unionists, hardened Independence and SNP members such as me and my family only see this as a Westminster english sideshow which only reinforces our determination for Independence.

Historically this type of social, political and denigrated undermining of a country or peoples desires is a well colonial trodden path by the English political and colonial establishment, consider Ireland and the African/Malaysian/Indian countries where they spent millions attempting to military and politically destabilise any Independence movement.

Oh

[coprolite]

15 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

 Unbelievable post which attempts to justify slavery by the English to their colonial sugar and tobacco plantations.

Are you fuckin deranged?

No it doesn't. It really doesn't. West Africa was a long standing source of bonded labour for the old world, including African kingdoms. Western powers scaled it up and industrialised it, but they weren't limited to being English. Scots also owned and helped run plantations. Look at the surnames in Jamaica. 

The Act of Union was a long time before British Rule in India or Malaya. There were charter companies with presence there before the 18th century but it wasn't full blown colonialism. 

Scotland and  Scots should be aware of our role in a shameful episode in history. I get that it's uncomfortable but crying about the English baddy doing all the bad stuff is denial. 

[Granny Danger]

16 minutes ago, coprolite said:

No it doesn't. It really doesn't. West Africa was a long standing source of bonded labour for the old world, including African kingdoms. Western powers scaled it up and industrialised it, but they weren't limited to being English. Scots also owned and helped run plantations. Look at the surnames in Jamaica. 

The Act of Union was a long time before British Rule in India or Malaya. There were charter companies with presence there before the 18th century but it wasn't full blown colonialism. 

Scotland and  Scots should be aware of our role in a shameful episode in history. I get that it's uncomfortable but crying about the English baddy doing all the bad stuff is denial. 

I agree with this.  What sort of timeframe are you referring to?

[Binos]

13 hours ago, StygianDepths said:

I got blocked today on Instagram by Nicola Sturgeon.

For background, this is literally the first time I have ever commented on her posts, I have voted for SNP every election that I was eligible and am, politically, very pro independence.  She posted a photo of Salman Rushdie's new book and some spiel about the importance of preserving the freedom of speech. I simply commented "ironic from a woman and party that has waged a war on freedom of speech". And she blocked me  Now, regardless of if you agree or disagree with my statement there, that's poor form. The comment was generating some decent discussion on both sides and it was just shut down and deleted. I mean, I'm sure that she has some Social Media Manager or some other important role these days but still.....I said nothing in any way offensive so it leaves a sour taste. 

You should have said she's single handedly destroyed the cause of independence,  probably,  within your lifetime 

Before you got blocked 

[Trogdor]

Sandy is obviously taking the news well.

[coprolite]

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

I agree with this.  What sort of timeframe are you referring to?

For transatlantic slavery, Scotland was officially part of it from 1707 to 1833 but individual Scots were involved before and after. 

Colonialism is more vague, i'd say  from prehistory to the present day although the "pink bits of the map" colonial direct rule is more from whenever they nationalised the East India Company (1820s maybe) through to Ww2. 

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

7 hours ago, AyrExile said:

The red tops running with the expectation of more charges incoming. Even the greens are pondering whether being seen next to the Snp will damage their street cred. The way things are building Humzas tea could be out if he can't bring some sort of unity to the sinking ship 

[Granny Danger]

42 minutes ago, coprolite said:

For transatlantic slavery, Scotland was officially part of it from 1707 to 1833 but individual Scots were involved before and after. 

Colonialism is more vague, i'd say  from prehistory to the present day although the "pink bits of the map" colonial direct rule is more from whenever they nationalised the East India Company (1820s maybe) through to Ww2. 

So all of the actions relating to slavery and most relating to colonialism were prior to universal franchise.

We should certainly not ignore  Britain’s role in the slave trade, including Scotland’s role, but such actions were carried out by the ruling classes for the benefit of the ruling classes.

Equally with colonialism most, though not all, decisions were taken by the ruling classes.  I would also suggest that in the early days of wider voting rights in Britain the working class voters were far less informed than in subsequent decades.

 

[BFTD]

2 hours ago, velo army said:

Just catching up on the thread here as I was mildly interested in how oor Nic was getting on.

Lots of masturbatory chat and accusations of slavery apologism, with @BFTD hurt to find himself out of the loop regards the former. 

This place is more mental than the TA board, and I don't say that lightly.

Thinking about starting a thread for wankers on the NSFW forum so I don't miss out on the latest news in this area.

Obviously, everybody here will be invited  

[velo army]

1 minute ago, BFTD said:

Thinking about starting a thread for wankers on the NSFW forum so I don't miss out on the latest news in this area.

Obviously, everybody here will be invited  

* Sound of a thousand accounts being deleted *

[BFTD]

1 minute ago, velo army said:

* Sound of a thousand accounts being deleted *

This is the Politics subforum - you'll all be back!

[alta-pete]

[Jedi2]

I can only assume therefore that all these buildings in Glasgow which were constructed by tobacco plantation trade money were built by those pesky English landlords...who also crewed the ships involved in the slave trade which sailed from Glasgow.

Also, during the Ulster Plantation (I'm not certain, but I don't think that scheme ended well), that the many Scottish Presbyterian planters were in fact undercover English agents (in a similar fashion to how its often 'Chelsea fans' who come up to Scotland undercover to cause trouble between rivals groups of casuals (in the past) and some ultras now.

These undercover Englishmen sure have got something to answer for.

Edited April 21 by Jedi2

[coprolite]

19 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

So all of the actions relating to slavery and most relating to colonialism were prior to universal franchise.

We should certainly not ignore  Britain’s role in the slave trade, including Scotland’s role, but such actions were carried out by the ruling classes for the benefit of the ruling classes.

Equally with colonialism most, though not all, decisions were taken by the ruling classes.  I would also suggest that in the early days of wider voting rights in Britain the working class voters were far less informed than in subsequent decades.

 

Depends what you count as the ruling classes i guess. land owners were the law makers and main beneficiaries. But plenty merchants, professionals, tradespeople, soldiers and administrative workers had hands on involvement. 

I'm sure that plenty of the individuals that were violently suppressing Mau Mau in the 50s would have been ordinary kids from industrial terraces who happened to get Kenya for national service. 

Plenty others, including the working classes were complicit through consumption of the artificially cheap sugar and cotton etc, not that they'd have much choice, and they were also being exploited for the benefit of capital at the same time. Today we're (on the whole) still content to not ask awkward questions about  power dynamics, or about liberty of workers, when we want a mobile phone, chocolate, or ching. 

 

[Jedi2]

3 minutes ago, coprolite said:

Depends what you count as the ruling classes i guess. land owners were the law makers and main beneficiaries. But plenty merchants, professionals, tradespeople, soldiers and administrative workers had hands on involvement.  

 

Must all have been an early M15 conspiracy to frame the Scottish middle and working class...don't forget their hand reaches far..not just the present undermining of solid governance in Scotland.