Sergeant Wilson Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Donathan said: Aye that’s what’s happened here Aye, but you think starving to death in captivity is natural causes. If that's the case, put a noose round her neck on a platform with a hole in it until she naturally falls through and breaks her neck. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, RH33 said: f**k me 25 years of believing I had mental health issues and multiple psychiatric inpatient stays. And all I had was a categories c in a diagnosic list. In no way does anything i've said discount you having "mental health issues" Its a fact that BPD is a Cluster B personality disorder and not a mental illness though. As i said, you may well experience the consequences of the PD as mental health symptoms, but that does not make the BPD itself a mental illness -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Aye, but you think starving to death in captivity is natural causes. If that's the case, put a noose round her neck on a platform with a hole in it until she naturally falls through and breaks her neck. Better to blindfold her to increase the chances of her naturally falling through the hole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: In no way does anything i've said discount you having "mental health issues" Its a fact that BPD is a Cluster B personality disorder and not a mental illness though. As i said, you may well experience the consequences of the PD as mental health symptoms, but that does not make the BPD itself a mental illness Which is part of a psychiatric diagnostic tool. Psychiatric illness range for personality disorders through to schizophrenia, bi polar etc. Not sure why you've such a bee in your bonnet all this. She was assessed for to stand trial and it was noted no previous pyschitric illness using whatever diagnostic tools you want. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Even her own lawyers seem to have turned on her and arguing for a whole life term Not looking great for her tbh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: In no way does anything i've said discount you having "mental health issues" Its a fact that BPD is a Cluster B personality disorder and not a mental illness though. As i said, you may well experience the consequences of the PD as mental health symptoms, but that does not make the BPD itself a mental illness Putting quotation marks around those words is really poor. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, Donathan said: Even her own lawyers seem to have turned on her and arguing for a whole life term Not looking great for her tbh Do you think they'd ask for a fine or community service? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 51 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Why would a sane person go to Ibrox and sing songs about a Dutch prince from 300 years ago? Why would a sane person take heroin? Why would a sane person think that being an actor is any way for a grown adult to behave? Bit of a leap there, no? Most of the others are group think or learned behaviour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_dog Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 On 19/08/2023 at 08:07, Ross. said: Seen this stat reported in a few places and it’s the only thing that makes me think she is being used as a scapegoat for other issues. The unit was essentially shut down for a significant part of that 7 year period, when the higher than average death rate was noticed. The stat is being used to make her look more obviously guilty. Technically correct but needs contextualised. From what I have read I think she probably is guilty but when they have to push stats like that then I start to wonder a little. Wasn't it reported on Panorama that the unit was downgraded? So they still treat babies, but not ones as seriously ill as they did previously. It wasn't just the deaths either, it was the number of close things when babies were saved from dying. They had 25 'incidents' in total they looked at, and all the other nurses were on shift 5 or 6 times at most in those cases. With the exception of Letby who was on shift for all 25 of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, RH33 said: Which is part of a psychiatric diagnostic tool. Psychiatric illness range for personality disorders through to schizophrenia, bi polar etc. Not sure why you've such a bee in your bonnet all this. She was assessed for to stand trial and it was noted no previous pyschitric illness using whatever diagnostic tools you want. Its not a bee in my bonnet, I just get irritated by the fact that every time there is a case like Letby, folk seem to aasume the fact that they are deemed fit to stand trial means they are perfectly normal, rational, sane, mentally well, etc, and therefore they are simply "evil", when the reality is that at the point of trial they haven't yet been assessed for all the things that invariably show up later and explain the discordant behaviour. Its another manifestation of public ignorance concerning all things mental health, mental illness, and psychiatry related, and the quickness to write things off as the nonsense notion of "evil" also irks me because the fact is its society that creates monsters, and the monsters are very much human. "Evil" is just a convenient, lazy cop-out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 36 minutes ago, hk blues said: Better to blindfold her to increase the chances of her naturally falling through the hole. "to me, to you, back a bit..." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 23 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Putting quotation marks around those words is really poor. They are for the purpose of showing its a direct quote, and to make it clear that when i say "mental health issues" i mean those specifically and not necessarily mental illnesses. Its not intended to suggest that i am sceptical in any way, in case that is what you are thinking? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 28 minutes ago, Donathan said: Even her own lawyers seem to have turned on her and arguing for a whole life term Not looking great for her tbh She’s been convicted of murdering seven babies, it’s no like there’s was any chance of her getting anything else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 I suspect they are pushing for WLO to complete eradicate any prospect of retrial and render future charges less likely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Quote We'll bring forward law so killers attend sentencing in due course, says Sunak This issue has raised a lot of hackles. In truth I don't see this happening. All it takes is one convict forced to face a family, and then shouting/swearing/gloating for this all to backfire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_dog Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, hk blues said: Looking through the verdicts she was found guilty of all murder charges but Not Guilty/Could Not Reach Verdict on close to half of the attempted murder charges. I wonder why there is such a disparity? Because other than the fact that she was the only nurse there for all the incidents, it's very difficult to prove anything, as these already ill babies were possibly given insulin, air, milk or had breathing apparatus temporarily removed, not physically attacked? She was found guilty of 7 murders and 6 attempted murders, found not guilty of 2 attempted murders and 6 more they couldn't reach a decision on. The first cases she was found guilty of were 2 babies they agreed there was evidence that she'd given them insulin, and there was another baby who had one where the baby had an unexplained amount of air in his gut. Other than that, it must have been very difficult to prove. Edited August 21, 2023 by s_dog 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 hour ago, hk blues said: Looking through the verdicts she was found guilty of all murder charges but Not Guilty/Could Not Reach Verdict on close to half of the attempted murder charges. I wonder why there is such a disparity? A lot of the charges relate to the same infants, so there were, for example, at least two Attempted Murder and one Murder charge relating to one specific baby, so the jury decided they couldn't convict on one particular attempt on a baby's life, but did for another attempt on the same child. Can't recalm the exact number of instances and individual children, but that explains a bit about why the numbers are a bit odd and why the verdicts are a bit all over the place. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: I suspect they are pushing for WLO to complete eradicate any prospect of retrial and render future charges less likely. No, as @Donathansays, her defence have changed sides! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 I'm amazed that a case like this can still bring out the argumentative side in some posters 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Busta Nut said: I'm amazed that a case like this can still bring out the argumentative side in some posters I didn't mean to, I simply highlighted that prior to trial no history of mental health had been found, no instances of psychosis etc but it seems to have snowballed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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