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[TONTROOPER]

15 hours ago, AyrshireTon said:

F**k knows what he was watching. That was brutal viewing. Gave the ball away too much and the hoofs up the park were going everywhere.

For all the talk of McGrattan starting, in his sub appearance today he offered very little, except getting caught offside and letting their right back escort the ball out of play a lot.

Chic also said.. " There's definitely goals in this game!"  

[Stuntiethumper]

1 hour ago, TONTROOPER said:

Chic also said.. " There's definitely goals in this game!"  

Sending thoughts and prayers to Chic. He's clearly not well.

[lavvyheid]

Chic is from Paisley that explains everything 

[Hampden Diehard]

17 hours ago, Anonymous Spider said:

Paton absolutely wasted in this team. That chance in the first half shows he’ll get goals if you get him servic

Falkirk away about the worst possible game for us at the moment. 

Pish. 

Anyone, home or away, is the worst possible game for us at the moment.

Concerning that both Thomson and Hepburn came off. Both were whacked a couple of times and I reckon neither substitution was tactical.

 

[an86]

This metal detector pish has to stop btw. Nothing says “welcome to the game” like a totally unnecessary search. Believe it’s the only ground I’ve ever experienced it at. You don’t even get it at Scotland games. Don’t know how we ever operated without a steward standing at Aikenhead Road either.
 

It’s really indicative of everything we’ve done under Dempster. All window dressing and zero substance. Trying desperately to look like a bigger club than we are, whilst delivering none of the substantive things that regular punters actually want.

New ground with atmosphere- nope

Decent, reasonably priced catering- nope

Decent, reasonably priced social club- nope

New matchday operations office and body searches on the way in- Yep. 
 

 

[AyrshireTon]

45 minutes ago, an86 said:

This metal detector pish has to stop btw. Nothing says “welcome to the game” like a totally unnecessary search. Believe it’s the only ground I’ve ever experienced it at. You don’t even get it at Scotland games. Don’t know how we ever operated without a steward standing at Aikenhead Road either.
 

It’s really indicative of everything we’ve done under Dempster. All window dressing and zero substance. Trying desperately to look like a bigger club than we are, whilst delivering none of the substantive things that regular punters actually want.

New ground with atmosphere- nope

Decent, reasonably priced catering- nope

Decent, reasonably priced social club- nope

New matchday operations office and body searches on the way in- Yep. 
 

 

The scanner search was bizarre, even more so that it was done in home and away queues just before everyone was let in to mingle in the same food stalls and toilets etc.

Catering prices are a disgrace, though.

[1320Lichtie]

1 hour ago, an86 said:

This metal detector pish has to stop btw. Nothing says “welcome to the game” like a totally unnecessary search. Believe it’s the only ground I’ve ever experienced it at. You don’t even get it at Scotland games. Don’t know how we ever operated without a steward standing at Aikenhead Road either.
 

It’s really indicative of everything we’ve done under Dempster. All window dressing and zero substance. Trying desperately to look like a bigger club than we are, whilst delivering none of the substantive things that regular punters actually want.

New ground with atmosphere- nope

Decent, reasonably priced catering- nope

Decent, reasonably priced social club- nope

New matchday operations office and body searches on the way in- Yep. 
 

 

Has the ‘new regime’ (saying that because I have no idea but I basically mean the way it is now with the FT and people running the club) not got a group of fans involved at any point. 
 

You’d think the things you’ve noted there would be the very things you’d want to get right when carrying out a project like this because if you get those right you get so much credit in the bank that would last a very long time 

 

Were fans not consulted and asked about the ground or what food you’d like or what you’d want the social club to be like? And if they were was it just not taken into consideration?

 

 

[Spider Rico]

1 hour ago, an86 said:

This metal detector pish has to stop btw. Nothing says “welcome to the game” like a totally unnecessary search. Believe it’s the only ground I’ve ever experienced it at. You don’t even get it at Scotland games. Don’t know how we ever operated without a steward standing at Aikenhead Road either.
 

It’s really indicative of everything we’ve done under Dempster. All window dressing and zero substance. Trying desperately to look like a bigger club than we are, whilst delivering none of the substantive things that regular punters actually want.

New ground with atmosphere- nope

Decent, reasonably priced catering- nope

Decent, reasonably priced social club- nope

New matchday operations office and body searches on the way in- Yep. 
 

 

“Bar 1867” without a single feature to actually identify it as a Queen’s Park venue (it doesn’t even have a sign with the name on it ). Where did all the stuff that used to be in the walls go?

An empty shell of a place that offers nothing but a convenient location (if you can find it).

Live sport on the TVs  

Reasonable prices  

Food  

Queen’s Park memorabilia

Healthy drinks options for kids  

Suitable layout for supporters functions  

 

 

[Spider Rico]

2 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said:

Has the ‘new regime’ (saying that because I have no idea but I basically mean the way it is now with the FT and people running the club) not got a group of fans involved at any point. 
 

You’d think the things you’ve noted there would be the very things you’d want to get right when carrying out a project like this because if you get those right you get so much credit in the bank that would last a very long time 

 

Were fans not consulted and asked about the ground or what food you’d like or what you’d want the social club to be like? And if they were was it just not taken into consideration?

 

 

What has tended to happen is that input from fans has been gathered at various formal and informal forums, promises are made off the back of it which are then ignored/forgotten about by those in charge. 
 

 

[an86]

3 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said:

Has the ‘new regime’ (saying that because I have no idea but I basically mean the way it is now with the FT and people running the club) not got a group of fans involved at any point. 
 

You’d think the things you’ve noted there would be the very things you’d want to get right when carrying out a project like this because if you get those right you get so much credit in the bank that would last a very long time 

 

Were fans not consulted and asked about the ground or what food you’d like or what you’d want the social club to be like? And if they were was it just not taken into consideration?

 

 

1. As an organisation, we’ve shown very little inclination to engage with fans on the issues that truly matter. A couple of individuals within the club have done so, but this is a structural and organisational problem that has largely been a failure since Leeann Dempster took over. She’s completely invisible. 
 

2. You’d think so, wouldn’t you? But alas…..

3. Zero, zilch, nil

[1320Lichtie]

6 minutes ago, an86 said:

1. As an organisation, we’ve shown very little inclination to engage with fans on the issues that truly matter. A couple of individuals within the club have done so, but this is a structural and organisational problem that has largely been a failure since Leeann Dempster took over. She’s completely invisible. 
 

2. You’d think so, wouldn’t you? But alas…..

3. Zero, zilch, nil

It doesn’t make any sense.
 

You think putting all of that in place for the fans would be the most enjoyable aspect of having a bit of cash in the bank to spend on a project like a football club.

 

It’s the most important part, feel like no matter how bad (or good) it gets on the park if you’ve got people running the club who care about the fans then you’ll have near enough unlimited credit in the bank as there’s only so much they can control in regards to on field stuff.
 

Happened last year with us - pumped every other week but ‘happy clappers’ as they were harshly being called all over the place, purely because the buy in is there with people because of how good the off park stuff has been for fans 

[an86]

1 minute ago, 1320Lichtie said:

It doesn’t make any sense.
 

You think putting all of that in place for the fans would be the most enjoyable aspect of having a bit of cash in the bank to spend on a project like a football club.

 

It’s the most important part, feel like no matter how bad (or good) it gets on the park if you’ve got people running the club who care about the fans then you’ll have near enough unlimited credit in the bank as there’s only so much they can control in regards to on field stuff.
 

Happened last year with us - pumped every other week but ‘happy clappers’ as they were harshly being called all over the place, purely because the buy in is there with people because of how good the off park stuff has been for fans 

What we have on and off the park are folk who’ve “done this before” except they haven’t. Nobody has. What worked at clubs with established supports of thousands isn’t necessarily going to work with a club with a base of a few hundred looking to build.

You obviously have to approach it differently. If you were someone who’d worked for a large established national retail company, moving into a small independent business, looking to grow, you wouldn’t just go with what worked at the established business and expect it to transfer to what is a completely different environment. Every football club is different in so many ways. 
 

Nobody is against change. We voted for it, but my anecdotal impression is that the existing fans don’t really feel part of that change. Wee things matter. The badge changed, the traditional jersey is gone, we play at a stadium that has none of our stamp on it. Identity matters in football and it increasingly feels like we don’t really have one. From the matchday atmosphere in the 52,000 seater stadium that we just sold, to the drab football, it’s all just a bit soulless and disconnected. I don’t think there’s any real inclination for that to change as long as off-field targets are being met and the spreadsheets look decent. 

[1320Lichtie]

9 minutes ago, an86 said:

What we have on and off the park are folk who’ve “done this before” except they haven’t. Nobody has. What worked at clubs with established supports of thousands isn’t necessarily going to work with a club with a base of a few hundred looking to build.

You obviously have to approach it differently. If you were someone who’d worked for a large established national retail company, moving into a small independent business, looking to grow, you wouldn’t just go with what worked at the established business and expect it to transfer to what is a completely different environment. Every football club is different in so many ways. 
 

Nobody is against change. We voted for it, but my anecdotal impression is that the existing fans don’t really feel part of that change. Wee things matter. The badge changed, the traditional jersey is gone, we play at a stadium that has none of our stamp on it. Identity matters in football and it increasingly feels like we don’t really have one. From the matchday atmosphere in the 52,000 seater stadium that we just sold, to the drab football, it’s all just a bit soulless and disconnected. I don’t think there’s any real inclination for that to change as long as off-field targets are being met and the spreadsheets look decent. 

 

It is every supporters dream.

 

Sure before all of this you’ve probably had the odd day dream about what you’d do to improve Queens Park as a club if you somehow stumbled into some personal expendable wealth - every fans probably done it - no matter how big or small that sum could be. It would be fun to come in and make some of these things a reality for fans even if only to a certain degree so I don’t know why that’s not happened.
 

End of the day the ability to influence and change all of the things you’ve mentioned has been there for the current ownership with the finances they’ve got and they seem to have just made a bit of a mess of it all and it’s at the point now where things need fixed or altered more than anything, the ground thing is just a complete mystery from the outside looking in in terms of what happens from here. 

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by 1320Lichtie

[williebraveheart]

I have said it before but I will continue to support Queen's Park as a team. They are my team and have been for decades. As a club we are run by a bunch of absolute  shite who have no regard whatsoever for the fans. I include our committee in this as they appear to have been sucked in to the cess pit of arrogance and ignorance. I would give none of them a sip of water if they were dying of thirst.

[vikingTON]

1 hour ago, 1320Lichtie said:

It doesn’t make any sense.

You think putting all of that in place for the fans would be the most enjoyable aspect of having a bit of cash in the bank to spend on a project like a football club.

Football clubs are vanity projects for rich men (our previous owner included). The idea that any of them are doing it to get a warm glow from seeing the fans happy is birthday caird pish. 

[1320Lichtie]

1 hour ago, virginton said:

Football clubs are vanity projects for rich men (our previous owner included). The idea that any of them are doing it to get a warm glow from seeing the fans happy is birthday caird pish. 

I mean I get what you’re saying but at this level and below (where QP were when it happened) does that really apply?
 

Imagine most clubs in the lower leagues especially L1 and L2 will be run by a group of fans who are also involved in business, may be totally wrong on that 

 

All I meant with what I said is that if QP had done that then they would’ve given themselves a lot of credit in the bank with fans and that they have attempted everything to do just that and got it wrong anyway 

[an86]

2 hours ago, 1320Lichtie said:

All I meant with what I said is that if QP had done that then they would’ve given themselves a lot of credit in the bank with fans and that they have attempted everything to do just that and got it wrong anyway 

I do wonder if there’s an element of “three promotions and they’re still no happy” etc. This would be completely missing the point of what makes the club tick. Any on-field glory is completely incidental to who and what we are, even after professionalism. I mean, it’s a great buzz when it happens but it’s not ingrained within our fabric. 

The core of the folk who go now are the folk who were going when we were shite at the bottom of League Two. If you were to ask any of those people if the connection between club and fans is better or worse than five/ten years ago, I think the answer would be almost unanimous. That’s a significant failure for a club with the resources we now have.  

I’m not saying the club don’t do anything. There have been efforts to involve in terms of the naming of the bar and things like that, but I’m talking about the wee things that are part of your general matchday and overall involvement within the club.

Any time I’ve broached an issue on matters like this, it’s been treated so defensively like I’m asking for the club to be run by opinion poll. Basic consultation is all that was ever really required. As punters, we were going to be the ones going to be using the stadium, social club, catering, buying merchandise etc. Not so much as a “what do you think of x, y, z?” to the folk who were most likely to part with their cash. It’s just served up, take it or leave it, and we’re the huffy b*****ds when we point out the flaws after the event. There’s been no effort to take us on “the journey.” That’s 100% on the Chief Executive and committee. 

[Bring Your Own Socks]

6 hours ago, Spider Rico said:

“Bar 1867” without a single feature to actually identify it as a Queen’s Park venue (it doesn’t even have a sign with the name on it ). Where did all the stuff that used to be in the walls go?

An empty shell of a place that offers nothing but a convenient location (if you can find it).

Live sport on the TVs  

Reasonable prices  

Food  

Queen’s Park memorabilia

Healthy drinks options for kids  

Suitable layout for supporters functions  

 

 

Pseudo City centre bar for rent

[Hampden Diehard]

Back to the game - the best entertainment of the day was Morton's 27 taking a shy. He was like a five year old.

[Hampden Diehard]

On 08/10/2023 at 18:54, virginton said:

Football clubs are vanity projects for rich men (our previous owner included). The idea that any of them are doing it to get a warm glow from seeing the fans happy is birthday caird pish. 

We're in the fortunate position of having the costs covered. Willie Haughey doesn't need to be concerned with the minutiae of keeping the punters happy, but we have people who should have that on their agenda. Don't get me wrong, I'm loving it that we're where we are and I appreciate it, but there's plenty that could be done fairly easily to make the day at the football better.