Salt n Vinegar Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 minute ago, strichener said: Nobody. There isn't a party that is sufficiently attractive enough. I was one of those that held my nose and voted SNP for independence reasons only. Now that they have fucked that and piss about spending political capital on issues that won't be out of place in community councils whilst forming coalitions with other parties without any mandate (nor any real need) then they can sing for it. I understand what you are saying. Clearly the recent past has been... ahem... "difficult" for the SNP. I'm hopeful for a high turnout, as that adds legitimacy to the results and gives a reasonably clear impression of what the electorate thinks (even allowing for FPTP) and there are obvious dangers in not voting. As someone who supports Scottish independence, I could never allow myself to contribute to the notion that a drop in support at the ballot box was a reflection of a drop in support for that independence. I wish that the SNP, the Greens and Alba could agree to work together on a pro-independence ticket, but can't see that happening by 4 July, if at all. The key point is that any drop in voting numbers for the SNP will be leapt upon by unionists like Dross, Sarwar, Starmer, Braverman, Farage, Galloway and the rest. I'm not going to do anything to put a smile on their faces. This might be a time for the good old "hold your nose and vote" tactic. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 41 minutes ago, strichener said: So a case of robbing Paul to pay Peter. Ha ha. Very good. However, HQ taking a levy from the individual branches happens practically every election. There's no dissent that I'm aware of. The fact that the MSM use words like 'rob' or 'raid' to describe this perfectly normal process, shows just how desperate they are to invent 'SNP baaaaaad' stories 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Labour's pledge to remove the offshore investment allowance and increase/extend the energy profits' levy basically means that the wellbeing and prosperity of NE Scotland is about the same priority to them as Grimethorpe was to the early 80s Thatcher regime. The company I work have earmarked 49 projects for the next five years - 46 of them become uneconomic, with US-based investors likely to pull the plug and invest elsewhere in the world. This will be mirrored elsewhere, with a grim ripple effect on jobs throughout the supply chain and local services. I am glad this election is happening sooner rather than later, as hopefully vote-winning soundbites that work in Wakefield/Worcester are replaced with adults in the room when they get the keys to the treasury, and economy/ energy security become reality for them. Transition rather than cliffedge required Mr Starmer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossilYM Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 7 minutes ago, tarapoa said: Labour's pledge to remove the offshore investment allowance and increase/extend the energy profits' levy basically means that the wellbeing and prosperity of NE Scotland is about the same priority to them as Grimethorpe was to the early 80s Thatcher regime. The company I work have earmarked 49 projects for the next five years - 46 of them become uneconomic, with US-based investors likely to pull the plug and invest elsewhere in the world. This will be mirrored elsewhere, with a grim ripple effect on jobs throughout the supply chain and local services. I am glad this election is happening sooner rather than later, as hopefully vote-winning soundbites that work in Wakefield/Worcester are replaced with adults in the room when they get the keys to the treasury, and economy/ energy security become reality for them. Transition rather than cliffedge required Mr Starmer. Should have been nationalised decades ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 12 hours ago, BFTD said: There's something comforting in the fact that, even when faced with the national celebration of a Tory bloodletting at the ballot box, some people's first thought will always be SNP BAD! Unfortunately there is a large body of evidence to support SNP BAD. This isn't 2014 any longer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 6 minutes ago, PossilYM said: Should have been nationalised decades ago. How would that work? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 6 minutes ago, strichener said: Unfortunately there is a large body of evidence to support SNP BAD. This isn't 2014 any longer. I’m pretty sure you were ‘SNP BAD’ before the large body existed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 17 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I’m pretty sure you were ‘SNP BAD’ before the large body existed. A pioneer if you like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 13 hours ago, carpetmonster said: From what I’ve read, Aberdeen and the Shire are the only bits still in by then. Aiberdeen and twal' mile roon - fa's like us! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 so is it basically a few weeks of this? cant wait 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Sunak in Wales just asked his audience if they were looking forward to all the football 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 2 hours ago, JS_FFC said: Farage not running. Major sigh of relief in number 10. The grifter's grifter. He's not standing because he would lose. So he can continue to do all his media stuff, get on Question Time, be seen as credible without the inconvenience of getting beaten by Count Binface in a real election. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 8 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Sunak in Wales just asked his audience if they were looking forward to all the football He is a tube 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 2 hours ago, JS_FFC said: Farage not running. Major sigh of relief in number 10. You don't run for office here, that's America. Here you stand. Then if you win, you sit. Easy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 2 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said: Is Grifter Galloway bothering his arse Apparently so. https://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/156214/general-election-2024-what-we-know-so-far-about-rochdale-candidates-and-constituencies 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Just how short is Rishi Sunak? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, doulikefish said: Sunak in Wales just asked his audience if they were looking forward to all the football A true "One-Nation" Tory. Didn't he also believe Darlington was in Scotland? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Maybe this has been mentioned already but it has just occurred to me. (People of a nervous disposition should not read the following.) Spoiler Ian Murray might well be the next Secretary of State for Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) 5 hours ago, Suspect Device said: There's a bit of chat about whether the nation's success or failure in the Euros will affect the vote. This is pretty depressing that people could be swayed by short term feelgood factors but how much of an influence would it be? Scotland do well = SNP do well???? England do well = Tories do well??? Why not Reform? Tbf it's thought holders England going out of Mexico 70 to West Germany a few days before the 1970 general election hurt the Labour government, and helped the Conservatives swing, ending in narrow majority for Ted Heath. Hamilton by-election in 1978 (when George Robertson battered Margo Macdonald) was held on a Wednesday - last time this happened - as it was thought too many good burghers of Lanarkshire would be watching Argentina 78 opening game 24hrs later: afterall Ally's Army was going to win. Unless my memory deceives wasn't Motherwell 6-6 Hibs played on an election night? EDIT: indeed... Cameron's win in 2010. Edited May 23 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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