Cheese Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 So it's just austerity forever, then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Austerity worked out so well last time, I can see why they are going for a turbo charged version of it. A skint and demoralised population will get Great Britain booming again in no time! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ooooft. Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Labour, eh? Tory f**ks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 It's 2010, you're just back from seeing 127 Hours at the cinema, you've got a bowl of Kellogs Krave in one hand and a controller in the other. You open the box of Just Cause 2 and slip the disc into your PlayStation 3. David Cameron is on the telly saying that 'there's tough times ahead and 'we're all in it together', that the previous government had left a 'massive mess' and failed 'to fix the roof while the sun was shining'. Life doesn't get any better than this you say to yourself. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Cawdor Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 44 minutes ago, Sheas_cake said: There will be hardly any casualties. For example, a pensioner on basic SP with £25,000 in the bank would STILL be entitled to claim Pension Credit and therefore still qualify. No one with a either a five figure bank balance, or health occupational pension (or a bit or both) is going to be freezing to death. Non-take up of Pension Credit by eligible households is between 30% and 40%. Clearly this wasn't an issue when the Winter Fuel Payment was a universal benefit, with age being the only criterion. The new proposals will result in many of the poorest pensioner households receiving no additional support in Winter. I think the way forward on this issue is to institute a major benefits take-up campaign, and to increase the value of the Winter Fuel Payment for the smaller cohort of eligible households. That way Labour can deflect much of the adverse criticism and depict their policy as delivering additional support to those in greatest need. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/income-related-benefits-estimates-of-take-up-financial-year-ending-2022/income-related-benefits-estimates-of-take-up-financial-year-ending-2022#pension-credit-2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Sheas_cake said: There will be hardly any casualties. For example, a pensioner on basic SP with £25,000 in the bank would STILL be entitled to claim Pension Credit and therefore still qualify. No one with a either a five figure bank balance, or health occupational pension (or a bit or both) is going to be freezing to death. As far as I can see a pensioner with an income of more than £218.15 a week and zero savings would get f**k all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Quitely Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 4 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said: In the finest traditions of political life, there will be austerity measures, but Labour will deny it by use of the cunning trick of simply calling it something else. "Austerity? No way. There will simply be a period of targeted personal adjustments resulting in a generally downward curve of people's personal finances. But austerity? Absolutely not." It's not known as Windscale-Sellafield Syndrome but perhaps it should be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 2 hours ago, Thane of Cawdor said: Non-take up of Pension Credit by eligible households is between 30% and 40%. Clearly this wasn't an issue when the Winter Fuel Payment was a universal benefit, with age being the only criterion. The new proposals will result in many of the poorest pensioner households receiving no additional support in Winter. I think the way forward on this issue is to institute a major benefits take-up campaign, and to increase the value of the Winter Fuel Payment for the smaller cohort of eligible households. That way Labour can deflect much of the adverse criticism and depict their policy as delivering additional support to those in greatest need. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/income-related-benefits-estimates-of-take-up-financial-year-ending-2022/income-related-benefits-estimates-of-take-up-financial-year-ending-2022#pension-credit-2 That's the real issue here, more than an extra £200-£300 a year - hundreds of thousands of pensioners unaware of/reluctant to claim Pension Credit, which also acts as a gateway to other entitlements. The government's always reliant on a substantial number of people not taking up benefits, so I'll be surprised if there's any kind of meaningful attempt to do so in this case. I wonder how worthwhile means-testing the Winter Fuel Payments would be if after a successful Pension Credit campaign. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Saw this posted earlier (originally from the 1920’s) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 What do we think - does the Chancellor not understand how the finances of the devolved Parliament work, or is she just a barefaced liar? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 29 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: What do we think - does the Chancellor not understand how the finances of the devolved Parliament work, or is she just a barefaced liar? She is a total liar. What f**ks me off is news outlets like STV posting this without comment. Only a f**king moron doesnt understand that the Scottish Govt CANT overspend. It CANT borrow, and only has very minor tax raising powers. I just can't believe that she wasn't challenged on this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Maybe some truth in the rumour that Reeves had posters of Margaret Thatcher on her wall as a teenager. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 38 minutes ago, Leith Green said: She is a total liar. What f**ks me off is news outlets like STV posting this without comment. Only a f**king moron doesnt understand that the Scottish Govt CANT overspend. It CANT borrow, and only has very minor tax raising powers. I just can't believe that she wasn't challenged on this. The Scottish government can and has borrowed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 21 minutes ago, strichener said: The Scottish government can and has borrowed. You are right, I was getting too ranty about Reeves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Reeves has lego hair and a lego brain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 What happened to votes for 16 year olds? It was in the manifesto and would have zero cost implications but isn’t in the legislative programme. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 5 hours ago, Granny Danger said: What happened to votes for 16 year olds? It was in the manifesto and would have zero cost implications but isn’t in the legislative programme. Quelle surprise 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 2 minutes ago, Sheas_cake said: @Jedi2 will be absolutely furious at this betrayal. To be fair to him, did he ever actually quote any Labour policy positions or was it all just fairytales he pulled out his arse? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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