Rugster Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, sjc said: Who was he before the platinum name change. I don't know. You used to be able to tell before the upgrade but now there's no way I don't think. Gunther in particular likes this new feature. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, The Moonster said: I found this image quite interesting regarding the gender pay gap: Basically when men and women are judged on doing the same job at the same level in the same company then there is virtually no pay gap. Jordan Peterson is a guy I've found recently (thanks to his absolute murdering of Cathy Newman) and he seems to talk a lot of sense on these issues. Sounds like banana. http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/is-jordan-peterson-the-stupid-mans-smart-person/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Sounds like banana. http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/is-jordan-peterson-the-stupid-mans-smart-person/ I appreciate he's not everyone's cup of tea but that article is taking parts of sentences he's said and using them against him, it can be easy to take things like that out of context. Newman tried to do the same in that interview and got absolutely destroyed to the point where her brain stopped working. I would hate to be grouped with the likes of banana, and I must say I don't agree with everything Peterson says or writes, but I found his analysis of the pay gap stuff fairly hard to disagree with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, The Moonster said: I found this image quite interesting regarding the gender pay gap: Basically when men and women are judged on doing the same job at the same level in the same company then there is virtually no pay gap. Jordan Peterson is a guy I've found recently (thanks to his absolute murdering of Cathy Newman) and he seems to talk a lot of sense on these issues. I've often wondered if these stats allow for women taking time out to have and bring up children? I know the U.K. now has paternity leave for men but in pretty much all cases of friends I know the mother chooses to stay at home for the early formative years. Nothing wrong with that as it's a vitally important job (I'll be a stay at home Dad from April) but can you really expect to paid the same as a coworker after a 2-5 year absence, particularly in ever evolving industries such as IT? My earning power as a freelancer in my previous career was down to market rates and the strength of my negotiating from literally naming your price in the boom time to begging in the bust.... .was the same for most plus not many women in the construction industry though so not enough data for me to say I saw a disproportionate pay scale between the sexes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, sjc said: I've often wondered if these stats allow for women taking time out to have and bring up children? I know the U.K. now has paternity leave for men but in pretty much all cases of friends I know the mother chooses to stay at home for the early formative years. Nothing wrong with that as it's a vitally important job (I'll be a stay at home Dad from April) but can you really expect to paid the same as a coworker after a 2-5 year absence, particularly in ever evolving industries such as IT? My earning power as a freelancer in my previous career was down to market rates and the strength of my negotiating from literally naming your price in the boom time to begging in the bust.... .was the same for most plus not many women in the construction industry though so not enough data for me to say I saw a disproportionate pay scale between the sexes. It's based on full-time pay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, The Moonster said: It's based on full-time pay. Does it allow for scenarios such as the one I mentioned? e.g. Breaks in full time employment? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Just now, sjc said: Does it allow for scenarios such as the one I mentioned? e.g. Breaks in full time employment? I assume it's not taking that into account as maternity/paternity leave doesn't give the woman/man full-time pay. I can't be certain though, would need to look back at the study. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, sjc said: I've often wondered if these stats allow for women taking time out to have and bring up children? I know the U.K. now has paternity leave for men but in pretty much all cases of friends I know the mother chooses to stay at home for the early formative years. Nothing wrong with that as it's a vitally important job (I'll be a stay at home Dad from April) but can you really expect to paid the same as a coworker after a 2-5 year absence, particularly in ever evolving industries such as IT? it probably contributes to the narrowing of the gap towards the higher-end of the pay scale; i imagine that women in executive roles are far better placed to plan their families and take shorter periods of maternity leave, if they wish, with paid-for childcare being a more viable option for them than staff at the lower end of the scale; less time off must equate to a lesser impact of the potential pay-gap which may develop over lengthier absence; in simple terms, female executives have the facility to earn more money over a longer period of time compared lower paid colleagues who are - to a certain extent - left with little or no option other than to take unpaid time out, hence more equivalence with male colleagues on similar pay grades at the top end 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, The Moonster said: I appreciate he's not everyone's cup of tea but that article is taking parts of sentences he's said and using them against him, it can be easy to take things like that out of context. Newman tried to do the same in that interview and got absolutely destroyed to the point where her brain stopped working. I would hate to be grouped with the likes of banana, and I must say I don't agree with everything Peterson says or writes, but I found his analysis of the pay gap stuff fairly hard to disagree with. Found the interview and he was impressive over the gender pay gap. Descended into waffle over trans marxism and the lobster hierarchy though. Surprised to read about all the fuss though, her getting loads of threats from his alt right fanboys apparently. Decent combatative interview on both sides I thought. Edited February 22, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, Herman Hessian said: it probably contributes to the narrowing of the gap towards the higher-end of the pay scale; i imagine that women in executive roles are far better placed to plan their families and take shorter periods of maternity leave, if they wish, with paid-for childcare being a more viable option for them than staff at the lower end of the scale; less time off must equate to a lesser impact of the potential pay-gap which may develop over lengthier absence; in simple terms, female executives have the facility to earn more money over a longer period of time compared lower paid colleagues who are - to a certain extent - left with little or no option other than to take unpaid time out, hence more equivalence with male colleagues on similar pay grades at the top end Possibly. That's the problem with statistics on this matter, too many variables when looking at the subject as a whole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, The Moonster said: I assume it's not taking that into account as maternity/paternity leave doesn't give the woman/man full-time pay. I can't be certain though, would need to look back at the study. You'd expect a break in full time employment to affect the pay balance though which kind of defeats the purpose of producing such stats! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Jordan Peterson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Found the interview and he was impressive over the gender pay gap. Descended into waffle over trans marxism and the lobster hierarchy though. Surprised to read about all the fuss though, her getting loads of threats from his alt right fanboys apparently. Decent combatative interview on both sides I thought. Agree totally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Not only is gloss paint a shiter of a job, but Crowns "touch dry in 6 hours" promise was an outright fucking lie. Now theres cat paw marks and wee lassie handprints on my fucking windowsills 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Programmes that say they're live on +1. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Glasgow City Council Roads Department. Which complete fuckwit thought that digging up Great Western Road, Aikenhead Road, Pollokshaws Road, Hope Street and Sauchiehall Street at the same time was a good idea? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 People who misspell Princes Street with a double-s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 38 minutes ago, GordonD said: People who misspell Princes Street with a double-s. ^^^^ Thiss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Rugby. Rugby fans. “Ruggers bantz”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) We're watching a wrap up of the Olympics. 30 minutes in and so far, it's been nothing but clips of people whooping like howler monkeys. Edited February 25, 2018 by Shotgun 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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