ajwffc Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 it is time for the draw but lets talk some more 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 so pool B for us South Africa (shit) Ireland (f**k off) Scotland Asia/Pacific 1 (probably one of Tonga or Samoa Europe 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 rest of draw Pool A New Zealand France Italy Americas 1 Africa 1 Pool B South Africa Ireland Scotland Asia / Pacific 1 Europe 2 Pool C Wales Australia Fiji Europe 1 Final Qualifier Winner Pool D England Japan Argentina Oceania 1 Americas 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 so pool B for us South Africa (shit) Ireland (f**k off) Scotland Asia/Pacific 1 (probably one of Tonga or Samoa Europe 2Couldn't have went much worse tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, peasy23 said: 39 minutes ago, ajwffc said: so pool B for us South Africa (shit) Ireland (f**k off) Scotland Asia/Pacific 1 (probably one of Tonga or Samoa Europe 2 Couldn't have went much worse tbh. We got the easiest team in pool 4, surely thats something (loser of Tonga / Samoa plays off against top Asian side probably S Korea for the place) Pool 1 NZ would have been worst, Wales best and not much between SA & Eng - the Saffers were a good laugh in Newcastle in 2015 so will take that and hoefully get tickets to that game in France. Wouldn't have wanted France in pool 2, I hate the Irish so beating them good - surely in 2 years we can come up with a plan to beat 1 team!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Can't say I'm full of confidence about that draw. Still you never know what Scotland/Ireland will be like in three years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Shit draw. We need to forget about world cups anyway, our focus should be on sneaking a 6N while others are in transition, so we should be targeting the 2024 6N right from now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Pool D in 2019: Wales, Australia, Fiji, Georgia, Uruguay Pool C in 2023: Wales, Australia, Fiji, Europe 1 (almost certainly Georgia), Repechage (quite possibly Uruguay) Pool A in 2019: Japan, Ireland, Scotland, Samoa, Russia Pool B in 2023: South Africa, Ireland, Scotland, Asia-Pacific 1 (quite possibly Samoa), Europe 2 (quite possibly Russia) Pool C in 2019: England, France, Argentina, Tonga, USA Pool D in 2023: England, Japan, Argentina, Oceania 1 (quite possibly Tonga), Americas 2 (quite possibly USA) Pool B in 2019: New Zealand, South Africa, Italy, Namibia, Canada Pool A in 2023: New Zealand, France, Italy, Africa 1 (almost certainly Namibia), Americas 1 (quite possibly Canada) Basically shuffled 3 teams. Not to mention drawing it almost 3yrs ahead. What an utterly laughable system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Pool D in 2019: Wales, Australia, Fiji, Georgia, Uruguay Pool C in 2023: Wales, Australia, Fiji, Europe 1 (almost certainly Georgia), Repechage (quite possibly Uruguay) Pool A in 2019: Japan, Ireland, Scotland, Samoa, Russia Pool B in 2023: South Africa, Ireland, Scotland, Asia-Pacific 1 (quite possibly Samoa), Europe 2 (quite possibly Russia) Pool C in 2019: England, France, Argentina, Tonga, USA Pool D in 2023: England, Japan, Argentina, Oceania 1 (quite possibly Tonga), Americas 2 (quite possibly USA) Pool B in 2019: New Zealand, South Africa, Italy, Namibia, Canada Pool A in 2023: New Zealand, France, Italy, Africa 1 (almost certainly Namibia), Americas 1 (quite possibly Canada) Basically shuffled 3 teams. Not to mention drawing it almost 3yrs ahead. What an utterly laughable system. As its quite likely to be the same 20 teams again and the seeding doesn't change that much it was likely to happen. Form the last seeding, only Ireland swapped places with South Africa, and Scotland swapped with Japan. Last time though Georgia were direct qualifiers and Fiji were Oceania 1 qualifier for example so the same but different I think (hoping) there will be a few changes ie Canada wont win the Americas qualifying, infact will be lucky to get 2nd. Im hoping we might see a few changes in the teams, maybe Kenya or Zimbabwe (Algeria could be a wild card if they can entice all their French based players to play the qualifiers) can pip Namibia for the African spot, and Europe 2 could go to Russia, Romania or Spain. Having more that half the teams as direct qualifiers means that the Tier 2's miss out on games against the tier 1's in qualifying. If you went back to only the semi finalist qualfied direct and were the top 4 seeds, you would have for example Australia in the qualifiers with Fiji, Tonga and Samoa who they hardly play at the moment, Scotland, Ireland, France and Italy, lining up against Georgia, Romania, Spain, Russia, Belgium, Portugal etc Granted to start with the matches would be 1 sided, but at least these countries would be getting games against the top sides on a more regular basis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) Obviously some new qualifiers would be good... That said the same teams dominate regional qualifying every time (Namibia, USA/Canada, Uruguay etc.). Over last 20yrs literally only variation has been 1 of Portugal/Russia/Uruguay each time. (EDIT: plus Romania's 2019 disqualification). Russia have been only new face in last decade and a non-European debutant won't have been seen in almost quarter of a century! Plus they manipulate continental quotas. Pacific islands bombed RWC 2015 meaning none qualified automatically: so bumped their slots for 2019 at Europe/Asia's expense (Japan = hosts). When draw isn't mixing same old faces up, either - very underwhelming. Edited December 14, 2020 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 57 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Obviously some new qualifiers would be good... That said the same teams dominate regional qualifying every time (Namibia, USA/Canada, Uruguay etc.). Over last 20yrs literally only variation has been 1 of Portugal/Russia/Uruguay each time. (EDIT: plus Romania's 2019 disqualification). Russia have been only new face in last decade and a non-European debutant won't have been seen in almost quarter of a century! Plus they manipulate continental quotas. Pacific islands bombed RWC 2015 meaning none qualified automatically: so bumped their slots for 2019 at Europe/Asia's expense (Japan = hosts). When draw isn't mixing same old faces up, either - very underwhelming. There are a few countries there or there abouts In the Americas Chile and Brazil are improving as they get to play in the Americas 6 nations now with Argentina, Uruguay, USA and Canada, Brazil have already picked up wins against Canada and the USA, if the SLAR picks up next year that will give them a boost. Not wanting to sound too cliche, if there was a bit less corruption and govt interference the likes of Kenya, Zimbabwe and Uganda could be pushing Namibia, Madagascar as well get 40-50k at their home games, Algeria and Morroco could probably put together fantastic teams if the french clubs let them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I think the worst part of the draw is that even if we do get through, it's to play NZ or France. To be honest, you don't know how good anyone is going to be in 2023 right now anyway, so no point worrying about it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Dreadful draw. Consoling myself with the fact that Ireland won't make it past a QF again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GAD Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, Jaggy Snake said: Fucking hell, that's so fucking grim. Wouldn't be surprised if we rolled onto next season with no recognised 10. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Gloucester are shite, he could do much better than them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingscot Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Glasgow are regressing badly. SRU will be anxiously watching season ticket renewals now... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 9 hours ago, flyingscot said: Glasgow are regressing badly. SRU will be anxiously watching season ticket renewals now... To think they are still trying to punt this "warrior nation" bullshit where if you give them £25 now, they might allow you to buy a £30 ticket to a zebre game in the future. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 There’s a rumour going round that Dugan is off to Worcester for big money. Wonder if Dodson has met his performance bonus targets this year? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 In a way you fee sorry for Wilson as he has not been able to play his 2 big summer signings in Grey and Nakarawa and this season was seen as a bit of a write off before it started, but if there isn't a serious show of intent for next season in the form of a big name (or at least half decent) stand off and full back for starters, and probably a clear out of 15-20 players. If they act now the majority of the Jauguares squad are looking for a new club as the wages on offer in the SLAR will be tiny in comparison to what Glasgow can offer, and they could be picking the bones of the Chetahs and Kings if there is anything left to pick. With the SA teams entering next year they need to act soon or risk being pushed back down to being an irrelevance 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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