Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Could the FSS not put a cheeky wee bid in for the Pars? Be useful to have a training ground when we have to put a grass pitch in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainrod Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 1 hour ago, Newbornbairn said: Could the FSS not put a cheeky wee bid in for the Pars? Be useful to have a training ground when we have to put a grass pitch in. The German backers ( not investors) will largely lose their cash. In reality dunfermline are of no value as a business and the only viable investor will be a fan or group of fans who can stomach watching their cash go down the pan they might be able to squeeze by if they go part time but as I see it they have no assets and not much hope of staying in the championship. I can’t decide if I’m happy or sad ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death warmed up Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 10 hours ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: The 3-3 draw in 1986 @HopeStreetWalker The worst display of blatant, don't give a shit cheating you will ever see in a match. Worse than anything the OF bought and paid for referees ever cooked up. This was the most cheated I’ve ever felt at a game. The referee (was it McGilvery?) was totally complicit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blame Me Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 8 hours ago, Stainrod said: The German backers ( not investors) will largely lose their cash. In reality dunfermline are of no value as a business and the only viable investor will be a fan or group of fans who can stomach watching their cash go down the pan they might be able to squeeze by if they go part time but as I see it they have no assets and not much hope of staying in the championship. I can’t decide if I’m happy or sad ! Putting aside it's them and the tiny schadenfreude I might feel, it's definitely a wake-up call that becoming sustainable and competitive is for the birds. Been watching events at EEP and ICT with interest - bridging the shortfalls to run a football club seems nigh on impossible. Even in our position - on the up - we can fool ourselves we're in a better place but are we really. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughsie Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 8 minutes ago, Blame Me said: Even in our position - on the up - we can fool ourselves we're in a better place but are we really. Is this a piss take? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 1 hour ago, Death warmed up said: This was the most cheated I’ve ever felt at a game. The referee (was it McGilvery?) was totally complicit. It was and he was. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Blame Me said: Putting aside it's them and the tiny schadenfreude I might feel, it's definitely a wake-up call that becoming sustainable and competitive is for the birds. Been watching events at EEP and ICT with interest - bridging the shortfalls to run a football club seems nigh on impossible. Even in our position - on the up - we can fool ourselves we're in a better place but are we really. No, what it shows is the hideous imbalance in Scottish football with the vast majority of the money being hoovered up by a handful of clubs that can then impose constraints on anyone else trying to become sustainable. The recent pitch vote is scandalous. Scottish football will be reduced to a husk by the leeches in the top league. Now if those clubs were playing great football, winning European tournaments, contributing to a successful national side well, yes, you could argue it's worth it. But they're not. The standard of football is shit, performance is going backwards and it gets worse every year. Edited August 16 by Newbornbairn 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blame Me Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 19 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said: No, what it shows is the hideous imbalance in Scottish football with the vast majority of the money being hoovered up by a handful of clubs that can then impose constraints on anyone else trying to become sustainable. The recent pitch vote is scandalous. Scottish football will be reduced to a husk by the leeches in the top league. Now if those clubs were playing great football, winning European tournaments, contributing to a successful national side well, yes, you could argue it's worth it. But they're not. The standard of football is shit, performance is going backwards and it gets worse every year. Totally agree but that is the reality. Looking at this as it is, not how I would like it to be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blame Me Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 42 minutes ago, Hughsie said: Is this a piss take? We'll report record revenues and improved performance but still need more. Are you denying that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyBlueArmy1876 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 (edited) We're on track to break even this season. Really couldnt be further removed from the situations at ICT and Dunfermline racking up huge losses Obviously the ongoing £150k from FSS helps hugely to get to our situation, but it would have been easy to increase McGlynn's budget by £500k to make it the best in the league and worry about how we were going to cover said loss come May if we didnt get promoted. Glad we won't be going down the Killie/ Dundee/ Dundee Utd route any time in the foreseeable future Edited August 16 by NavyBlueArmy1876 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC55 FFC Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 I actually fear (to no huge degree) what will happen to Ayr, Raith, Livi and maybe even Thistle if they don’t get promoted having flung large sums at going up this year. I see almost every social media post by Ayr is begging people to go to the games or moaning about the crowds they’ve been getting to encourage more. That suggests the owner isn’t happy at being the only one pumping money in. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangemouth Bairn Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 12 hours ago, HopeStreetWalker said: What they got up to was co choreographed, it could only have come from the training ground. One particular nasty moment was one player looking till the officials were looking away, nodded and a player turned round and banjo'd McDonald. Appalling stuff and the only club I well and truly hate and have cheered on evry team that plays them and that included the Old Firm and that is saying something. Have never seen Falkirk fans so angry. I remember that game. Horrible, horrible club and never liked them since then. Miller was/is a scumbag. Who was McDonald that got hit though ? From my memory (I’m getting on albeit) nobody called McDonald played in that game ? (I’ll check better meddle). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamston Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 What’s happening at several other clubs is educational. ICT, Dunfermline, Raith, Motherwell, St M, Ayr, DU etc all for very different reasons. We were in the grubber two years ago. Fan ownership wasn’t a magic wand but a last resort. Had McGlynn failed in his first season, my guess is that we would have been gubbed, no matter the improvements off the park. The margins were so fine and there was no buffer. Many of the reasons listed above - including the crazy governance and financing in Scottish football - are accurate. But have to live within these parameters, as we have done for decades, and can also learn from others. All we can do is run our club the best we can and not implode when things get tough. I’d say our key strength is that we control our own club and therefore destiny. Fan control isn’t a silver bullet but we aren’t at the mercy of people who don’t care about FFC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyBlueArmy1876 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 1 hour ago, RC55 FFC said: I actually fear (to no huge degree) what will happen to Ayr, Raith, Livi and maybe even Thistle if they don’t get promoted having flung large sums at going up this year. I see almost every social media post by Ayr is begging people to go to the games or moaning about the crowds they’ve been getting to encourage more. That suggests the owner isn’t happy at being the only one pumping money in. Noticed that as well. They've only sold 1200 STs and got less than 3k against Airdrie. Simply not sustainable, what happens if their owner stops putting money in overnight? Seems incredibly perilous. Likewise the situations at Raith and Hamilton. Obviously Raith had a significant uplift in their crowds (and more importantly pie sales) when they were challenging for the league which may have offset said losses. But given the competitive nature of the Championship combined with the fickleness of football fans, one bad season and that model goes out the window 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeStreetWalker Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 49 minutes ago, Grangemouth Bairn said: I remember that game. Horrible, horrible club and never liked them since then. Miller was/is a scumbag. Who was McDonald that got hit though ? From my memory (I’m getting on albeit) nobody called McDonald played in that game ? (I’ll check better meddle). Colin McDonald as I remember 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangemouth Bairn Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 2 minutes ago, HopeStreetWalker said: Colin McDonald as I remember Coco is the same age as me so would only have been 11 or 12 in 1986 ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 2 hours ago, Newbornbairn said: No, what it shows is the hideous imbalance in Scottish football with the vast majority of the money being hoovered up by a handful of clubs that can then impose constraints on anyone else trying to become sustainable. The recent pitch vote is scandalous. Scottish football will be reduced to a husk by the leeches in the top league. Now if those clubs were playing great football, winning European tournaments, contributing to a successful national side well, yes, you could argue it's worth it. But they're not. The standard of football is shit, performance is going backwards and it gets worse every year. I’ve said on many occasions that until the arse cheeks GTF, the stranglehold on our game will continue to look after the chosen few. The imbalance from the top league finances to the championship and below is almost unsustainable and the debts that many clubs are carrying cannot be sustained. We’ve got ICT publicly announcing that if Tuesdays meeting with all people they have loans/debt with goes wrong, they could be out of business. SPL status two years ago? How many more on the brink ? and were two games into the new season ? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blame Me Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 28 minutes ago, NavyBlueArmy1876 said: Noticed that as well. They've only sold 1200 STs and got less than 3k against Airdrie. Simply not sustainable, what happens if their owner stops putting money in overnight? Seems incredibly perilous. Likewise the situations at Raith and Hamilton. Obviously Raith had a significant uplift in their crowds (and more importantly pie sales) when they were challenging for the league which may have offset said losses. But given the competitive nature of the Championship combined with the fickleness of football fans, one bad season and that model goes out the window I'm not trying to be contrarian today but ... Substitute "owner" for FSS in the 1st scenario and what you describe could equally apply to us eventually in the last. I just don't think it's wise to think we've nothing to worry about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatapyBairn. Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Blame Me said: I'm not trying to be contrarian today but ... Substitute "owner" for FSS in the 1st scenario and what you describe could equally apply to us eventually in the last. I just don't think it's wise to think we've nothing to worry about. An individual sugar daddy type owner and an organised collective group of over 1000 loyal supporters putting money in are absolutely in no way comparable! It’s two completely different situations, you are comparing apples and oranges! Do you think 1000 odd individuals who are all emotionally invested fans are all of a sudden going to each stop contributing they're subs each month at the exact same time? That’s simply not going to happen, however in the case of a club being bankrolled by a wealthy individual with no emotional attachment to said club it’s always a distinct possibility they suddenly decide to stop pumping money in or are suddenly no longer able to do so for whatever reason as we have seen multiple examples of before. Edited August 16 by LatapyBairn. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 26 minutes ago, Grangemouth Bairn said: Coco is the same age as me so would only have been 11 or 12 in 1986 ! Yeah Coco was a decade later. Connor spat on someone to get sent off. Hetherston maybe? The only comparable complete heads gone from me was the Hearts LC game where we ended up with 8 men. Absolutely wild cheating and refereeing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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