DiegoDiego Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Only if you have a bank account and card reader.Well you would need a bank account but not a card reader. It's pretty easy, safe and quick to use an app like MobilePay to transfer money to someone. For years the homeless in Denmark have written their MobilePay number on their bit of cardboard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, DiegoDiego said: 18 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Only if you have a bank account and card reader. Well you would need a bank account but not a card reader. It's pretty easy, safe and quick to use an app like MobilePay to transfer money to someone. For years the homeless in Denmark have written their MobilePay number on their bit of cardboard. The homeless guy would still need a smartphone and bank account presumably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 The homeless guy would still need a smartphone and bank account presumably.There's nothing stopping homeless in the UK getting a bank account you only need a phone to make MobilePay payments, not receive.The point being, that a great many of these problems those against a cashless society argue are easily solvable (or indeed have already been solved) and the rest are the usual government/capitalism bad arguments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: There's nothing stopping homeless in the UK getting a bank account you only need a phone to make MobilePay payments, not receive. The point being, that a great many of these problems those against a cashless society argue are easily solvable (or indeed have already been solved) and the rest are the usual government/capitalism bad arguments. There will always be people who have to operate outside the system. An asylum seeker in Britain can be denied the right to work on top of being refused benefits. If somebody pays him to do some work to keep him going they'd be breaking the law. In China you can be denied the right to use public transport if you've annoyed the authorities in some legal way. Having no anonymous means of payment gives the State way too much control over people's lives on a micro level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Having no anonymous means of payment gives the State way too much control over people's lives on a micro level.Cashless doesn't necessarily mean no anonymous means. Necessity is the mother of invention and as we've seen technology is increasing innovation in the financial sector (e.g. cryptocurrency). Cashless isn't going to happen overnight and I'm optimistic that the vast bulk of these issues will have been solved by then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 If you're declared bankrupt you get your cashless payment capability taken from you and put on a basic account don't you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 There's nothing stopping homeless in the UK getting a bank account you only need a phone to make MobilePay payments, not receive.The point being, that a great many of these problems those against a cashless society argue are easily solvable (or indeed have already been solved) and the rest are the usual government/capitalism bad arguments. That first sentence is miles off the mark.It's a bit like saying - "there's nothing stopping homeless folk get a roof over their head".There are plenty of severe complications with a cashless society, and it's the most vulnerable folk in society who would suffer.I have absolutely no faith in technology and governments ensuring these are ironed out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 That's just round the corner from me. Tea and Tarot it's called. I was half thinking of going in to get a reading just for a laugh.Crystal skulls are the real deal, man. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 You can add holistic/tarot/witchcraft shops to the list of things that people mystifyingly decide will be a profitable business, and fold before they see their first anniversary. You'd think they'd see it coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 That first sentence is miles off the mark.Is there really no facility for homeless people to get a bank account? In that case I stand corrected. It's not really like saying it's easy for them to get a roof over their head though as rooves are obviously a scarce resource while bank accounts are limitless, so I think you're being a bit harsh on me there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 11 hours ago, Mr. Alli said: If you're declared bankrupt you get your cashless payment capability taken from you and put on a basic account don't you? No, a basic bank account will still have a debit card. You just can't incur debt or take on credit (in theory). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 7 hours ago, Day of the Lords said: No, a basic bank account will still have a debit card. I've just had a quick look. Some do, some don't. Looks like it depends on how out on your arse you are whether you'll be allowed to use card payments for your own money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 47 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said: I've just had a quick look. Some do, some don't. Looks like it depends on how out on your arse you are whether you'll be allowed to use card payments for your own money. Some banks will just close your current account and basically tell you to f**k off if you decide to go ahead with bankruptcy. Bank of Scotland spring to mind. RBS, Nationwide and Santander i think will allow you to open a basic account before you go ahead with it. Although i think Santander give you a pre-pay credit card type thing instead of a debit card alongside a basic account. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Is there really no facility for homeless people to get a bank account? In that case I stand corrected. It's not really like saying it's easy for them to get a roof over their head though as rooves are obviously a scarce resource while bank accounts are limitless, so I think you're being a bit harsh on me there. Yeah, you're right - the analogy wasn't great.There is support and help available for a lot of people who are homeless but the problems that put them there are usually so complex and severe that they can't get themselves sorted.And bank accounts has always been a difficulty.Cashless societies are great for folk that cope well with the modern world, but it's an absolutely vital commodity for so many people on the other side of that line. Unfortunately in Britain those struggling to cope seem to be increasing as the years go by. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistledo Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Is it just me or is there a real uptake of idiots getting involved on pyramid schemes and sharing them on Facebook during lockdown? I don't get such invites, but I regularly hear my missus muttering about "fucking pyramid scheme wankers" Would make sense to use Facebook given the hotbed of idiots that would fall for it I guess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 5 hours ago, thistledo said: Is it just me or is there a real uptake of idiots getting involved on pyramid schemes and sharing them on Facebook during lockdown? I don't get such invites, but I regularly hear my missus muttering about "fucking pyramid scheme wankers" Would make sense to use Facebook given the hotbed of idiots that would fall for it I guess. reddit.com/r/antimlm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeWhoWalksBehindTheRows Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, thistledo said: Is it just me or is there a real uptake of idiots getting involved on pyramid schemes and sharing them on Facebook during lockdown? I don't get such invites, but I regularly hear my missus muttering about "fucking pyramid scheme wankers" Would make sense to use Facebook given the hotbed of idiots that would fall for it I guess. Tell me Thistledo, have you ever tried to do the washing up without washing up liquid?? Edited September 15, 2020 by HeWhoWalksBehindTheRows 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Local facebook page has had its first peado War. Some mum has tried to defend one, not sure why. Total chaos. Edit, think the peado is her dadAwkward 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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