hearthammer Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Donathan said: Some optimism emerging for a deal today as Boris and Juncker agree to meet on Monday. Sense over the past 48-72 hours is that number 10 are starting to accept that agreeing a deal is the easiest way to achieve their promise of delivering Brexit on 31st October, rather than trying to pull some stunts to force a no-deal Brexit. I agree with your sentiment, but remember he will have to placate the little englander "blighty rules the waves" crowd who want their ingurland reinstated as the world leaders and london declared the world's capital. Re the judgement made in the Edinburgh courts, my understanding is that the Judges were not disputing the right of a prime minister to prorogue parliament, but they took exception to de pfeffelllllll doing so for an extended period to sneak away into hiding to run his no deal through without parliament having the opportunity to question or try and achieve some kind of consensus for the 4 equal partners (aye, ah ken ) in this union that apparently exists. No doubt some of the cricketing fraternity will disagree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I cannot think of any deal that Johnson could agree with the EU that would get the backing of Parliament. Might this time. 1. Half the Conservative Party would be inclined to bottle a no deal Brexit. 2. One third of the Labour Party are more scared of an election as Brexit-Blockers than they are keen on skewering Boris. 3. DUP's reduced leverage will make them more flexible. 4. Only the SNP and the Lib Dems and Changelings are ideologically opposed to any type of Brexit, even with a deal. 5. EU Council (not commission or negotiating team) will give a bit. If none of the above happens, we'll be okay. Except internet pant-wetters - they might combust. But they will have the satisfaction of being able to blame every single problem for the next 2 decades on Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 The ERG would fold if it was either a deal or a referendum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: Might this time. 1. Half the Conservative Party would be inclined to bottle a no deal Brexit. 2. One third of the Labour Party are more scared of an election as Brexit-Blockers than they are keen on skewering Boris. 3. DUP's reduced leverage will make them more flexible. 4. Only the SNP and the Lib Dems and Changelings are ideologically opposed to any type of Brexit, even with a deal. 5. EU Council (not commission or negotiating team) will give a bit. If none of the above happens, we'll be okay. Except internet pant-wetters - they might combust. But they will have the satisfaction of being able to blame every single problem for the next 2 decades on Brexit. I take it you mean it will make the Conservatives more flexible? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearthammer Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Snafu said: Being new to the discussion on here and the current Brexit debate I take it Boris Johnston and the government have already planned out how we can all move forward on the event of a no deal exit. I've probably missed this being away but I take it everyone knows the Government manifesto already, ...........we've been told the master plan, haven't we?? haven't we?? Is there something we are not being told about such as is the rapture coming? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Might this time. 1. Half the Conservative Party would be inclined to bottle a no deal Brexit. 2. One third of the Labour Party are more scared of an election as Brexit-Blockers than they are keen on skewering Boris. 3. DUP's reduced leverage will make them more flexible. 4. Only the SNP and the Lib Dems and Changelings are ideologically opposed to any type of Brexit, even with a deal. 5. EU Council (not commission or negotiating team) will give a bit. If none of the above happens, we'll be okay. Except internet pant-wetters - they might combust. But they will have the satisfaction of being able to blame every single problem for the next 2 decades on Brexit.I'd recently become concerned about the paucity of nonsense on this thread, so fair play for addressing my worries. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 54 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Not sure about the social and economic upside to that, but the political upside could be brilliant. At the forthcoming GE: 1. The Brexit Party would stand against the Tories. 2. Labour could deselect all the arseholes who vote with Johnson. 3. The SNP would have a near clean sweep. I suspect the Brexit party wouldn't get as much traction as they'd hope. I reckon a lot of folk would, ironically, take the view that Brexit mean Brexit. In other words, so long as it's done some way, they won't care. Bleating about 'clean' No deal Brexits after the fact would not help Farage a lot, I don't think. Then the election comes down to public spending. Labour can usually offer more here, but I suspect that with Brexit in his pocket that'll act as some kind of armour for Johnson. Under that scenario, the SNP can claim they played Brexit with a straight bat, and hopefully they can make a strong pro Indy pitch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Anti baldness and Viagra meds in there. That needs more publicity, gammons everywhere will immediately be begging to remain [emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Crùbag said: Janey Godley. Did he tell her she was funny? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Snafu said: Article in the Belfast Telegraph on medicines that will be hard to get if we crash out of Europe https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/revealed-59-vital-medicines-that-may-be-impossible-to-get-if-the-uk-crashes-out-of-europe-38492903.html Here is the full list of medications which could be affected by a no-deal Brexit, according to E-Surgery: Acamprosate (Campral) treats alcohol dependence Aciclovir (Acyclovir) treats herpes, simplex virus infections, chickenpox, and shingles Allopurinol prevents gout, specific types of kidney stones and side effects that can occur with chemotherapy Amlodipine treats hypertension and coronary artery disease Baclofen treats spasticity Bendroflumethiazide is used in the management of hypertension Brinzolamide Eye Drops treats ocular hypertension and open-angle glaucoma Calcipotriol ointment treats psoriasis Candesartan treats hypertension and congestive heart failure Cetirizine is an antihistamine Citalopram is an antidepressant Co-careldopa manages the symptoms of Parkinson's disease Co-codamol is a pain relief Cyclizine treats and prevents nausea, vomiting and dizziness due to motion sickness or vertigo Desogestrel (Cerelle) is a birth control pills for women and also treats menopausal symptoms in women Dihydrocodeine is a pain relief Dispersible Aspirin tablets treat pain, fever, or inflammation and is used as a blood thinner Dosulepin (Prothiaden) is used in the treatment of depression Doxycycline is an antibiotic used in the treatment of pneumonia, acne, chlamydia infections, early Lyme disease, cholera and syphilis Esomeprazole (Nexium) reduces stomach acid Exemestane (Aromasin) is used to treat breast cancer Finasteride (Proscar/Propecia) treats an enlarged prostate or scalp hair loss in men. It can also be used to treat excessive hair growth in women and as a part of hormone therapy for transgender women Glimepiride (Amaryl) is an anti-diabetic medication Hydrocortisone is a steroid medicine Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) is used for the prevention and treatment of certain types of malaria as well as rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and porphyria cutanea tarda Irbesartan is used for the treatment of hypertension Lansoprazole controls the stomach's production of gastric acid Liquid Carbamazepine (Tegretol) treats epilepsy, neuropathic pain, and schizophrenia Lisinopril treats hypertension, heart failure, and is used after heart attacks Lofepramine (Gamanil/Lomont/Tymelyt) treats depression Losartan (Cozaar) treas hypertension, diabetic kidney disease, heart failure, and left ventricular enlargement Meloxicam (Mobic) treats pain and inflammation in rheumatic diseases and osteoarthritis Metformin (Glucophage) is an type 2 diabetes medication Metoclopramide is used to treat and prevent nausea and vomiting. It is also used to treat migraine headaches Metronidazole (Flagyl) treat spelvic inflammatory disease, endocarditis, and bacterial vaginosis Naproxen (Aleve/Naprosyn) treats pain, menstrual cramps, inflammatory diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, and fever Nebivolol treats hypertension Nifedipine (Adalat) is used to manage angina, hypertension, Raynaud's phenomenon, and premature labour Nortriptyline (Allegron/Aventyl/Noritren/Nortrilen/Pamelor) treats clinical depression and childhood bed wetting Olanzapine (Zyprexa) treats schizophrenia and bipolar disorder Olmesartan treats hypertension Omeprazole treats gastroesophageal reflux, peptic ulcer disease, and Zollinger-Ellison syndrome Oxybutynin relieves urinary and bladder difficulties Prednisolone is a steroid medication Pregabalin (Lyrica) treats epilepsy, neuropathic pain, fibromyalgia, restless leg syndrome, and generalized anxiety disorder Quetiapine (Seroquel) treats schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder Rasagiline treats symptoms in early Parkinson's disease or as an adjunct therapy in more advanced cases Ramipril is used to treat high blood pressure and congestive heart failure Risperidone (Risperdal) is an antipsychotic used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and irritability associated with autism Ropinirole is used in the treatment of Parkinson's disease and restless legs syndrome Sertraline (Zoloft) treats major depressive disorder Sildenafil (Viagra) is used to treat erectile dysfunction and pulmonary arterial hypertension Sodium valproate (or valproate sodium)is used in the treatment of epilepsy, anorexia nervosa, panic attack, anxiety disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, migraine and bipolar disorder Sotalol treats abnormal heart rhythms Tamsulosin (Flomax) helps with the passage of kidney stones Telmisartan is used in the management of hypertension Tibolone is used for menopausal hormone therapy and in the treatment of postmenopausal osteoporosis and endometriosis Valsartan treats high blood pressure, congestive heart failure, and to increase the chances of living longer after a heart attack Venlafaxine (Effexor) is an antidepressant medication Zopiclone treats insomnia Belfast Telegraph Only half of mine are there, get Brexit sorted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 1 out of 4 of mine are there. Ramipril. I'll be fine or I've got a 1 in 4 chance of being OK. Edit: Talking bollocks. 2 out of 4. Dispersible aspirin as well. Edited September 13, 2019 by Suspect Device 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Pet Jeden said: Might this time. 1. Half the Conservative Party would be inclined to bottle a no deal Brexit. 2. One third of the Labour Party are more scared of an election as Brexit-Blockers than they are keen on skewering Boris. 3. DUP's reduced leverage will make them more flexible. 4. Only the SNP and the Lib Dems and Changelings are ideologically opposed to any type of Brexit, even with a deal. 5. EU Council (not commission or negotiating team) will give a bit. If none of the above happens, we'll be okay. Except internet pant-wetters - they might combust. But they will have the satisfaction of being able to blame every single problem for the next 2 decades on Brexit. To be fair..., total crap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: Good and comprehensive thread on it here. That clears things up a fair bit. The two cases they cite as precedent don't look very relevant especially as one of the judges they cite has said the opposite on this issue. Pointing to a reference to the "principles of democracy" seems extremely grasping. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Snafu said: Being new to the discussion on here and the current Brexit debate I take it Boris Johnston and the government have already planned out how we can all move forward on the event of a no deal exit. I've probably missed this being away but I take it everyone knows the Government manifesto already, ...........we've been told the master plan, haven't we?? haven't we?? Is there something we are not being told about such as is the rapture coming? We leave the EU on 31st October and live happily ever after. Are you needing more detail than that? Why? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 We've not got a written constitution though. And at least in America there is some democratic oversight of the judiciary unlike here.Si, politicization of the judiciary is an excellent idea. I like beer, and such. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Defections in the North East of England. 9 Hartlepool councilors of various parties jump ship to the Brexit Party so to put their country first before their party in the belief that a successful deal with the Tories is immanent. Good for them, its great to see moralistic decision makers reveal how far they will go to defend their beliefs when they fear not being on the winning side, must think of their careers first. https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/nine-hartlepool-councillors-defect-brexit-16911069 Tbf they come from a place with a historical gene pool so stupid they hung a monkey thinking it was French. Hartlepool being wiped out by brexit would be a positive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Tbf they come from a place with a historical gene pool so stupid they hung a monkey thinking it was French. Hartlepool being wiped out would be a positive. FTFY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Tbf they come from a place with a historical gene puddle so stupid they hung a monkey thinking it was French. Hartlepool being wiped out by brexit would be a positive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Snafu said: Article in the Belfast Telegraph on medicines that will be hard to get if we crash out of Europe https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/revealed-59-vital-medicines-that-may-be-impossible-to-get-if-the-uk-crashes-out-of-europe-38492903.html Here is the full list of medications which could be affected by a no-deal Brexit, according to E-Surgery: Acamprosate (Campral) treats alcohol dependence Aciclovir (Acyclovir) treats herpes, simplex virus infections, chickenpox, and shingles Allopurinol prevents gout, specific types of kidney stones and side effects that can occur with chemotherapy Amlodipine treats hypertension and coronary artery disease Baclofen treats spasticity Bendroflumethiazide is used in the management of hypertension Brinzolamide Eye Drops treats ocular hypertension and open-angle glaucoma Calcipotriol ointment treats psoriasis Candesartan treats hypertension and congestive heart failure Cetirizine is an antihistamine Citalopram is an antidepressant Co-careldopa manages the symptoms of Parkinson's disease Co-codamol is a pain relief Cyclizine treats and prevents nausea, vomiting and dizziness due to motion sickness or vertigo Desogestrel (Cerelle) is a birth control pills for women and also treats menopausal symptoms in women Dihydrocodeine is a pain relief Dispersible Aspirin tablets treat pain, fever, or inflammation and is used as a blood thinner Dosulepin (Prothiaden) is used in the treatment of depression Doxycycline is an antibiotic used in the treatment of pneumonia, acne, chlamydia infections, early Lyme disease, cholera and syphilis Esomeprazole (Nexium) reduces stomach acid Exemestane (Aromasin) is used to treat breast cancer Finasteride (Proscar/Propecia) treats an enlarged prostate or scalp hair loss in men. It can also be used to treat excessive hair growth in women and as a part of hormone therapy for transgender women Glimepiride (Amaryl) is an anti-diabetic medication Hydrocortisone is a steroid medicine Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) is used for the prevention and treatment of certain types of malaria as well as rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and porphyria cutanea tarda Irbesartan is used for the treatment of hypertension Lansoprazole controls the stomach's production of gastric acid Liquid Carbamazepine (Tegretol) treats epilepsy, neuropathic pain, and schizophrenia Lisinopril treats hypertension, heart failure, and is used after heart attacks Lofepramine (Gamanil/Lomont/Tymelyt) treats depression Losartan (Cozaar) treas hypertension, diabetic kidney disease, heart failure, and left ventricular enlargement Meloxicam (Mobic) treats pain and inflammation in rheumatic diseases and osteoarthritis Metformin (Glucophage) is an type 2 diabetes medication Metoclopramide is used to treat and prevent nausea and vomiting. It is also used to treat migraine headaches Metronidazole (Flagyl) treat spelvic inflammatory disease, endocarditis, and bacterial vaginosis Naproxen (Aleve/Naprosyn) treats pain, menstrual cramps, inflammatory diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, and fever Nebivolol treats hypertension Nifedipine (Adalat) is used to manage angina, hypertension, Raynaud's phenomenon, and premature labour Nortriptyline (Allegron/Aventyl/Noritren/Nortrilen/Pamelor) treats clinical depression and childhood bed wetting Olanzapine (Zyprexa) treats schizophrenia and bipolar disorder Olmesartan treats hypertension Omeprazole treats gastroesophageal reflux, peptic ulcer disease, and Zollinger-Ellison syndrome Oxybutynin relieves urinary and bladder difficulties Prednisolone is a steroid medication Pregabalin (Lyrica) treats epilepsy, neuropathic pain, fibromyalgia, restless leg syndrome, and generalized anxiety disorder Quetiapine (Seroquel) treats schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder Rasagiline treats symptoms in early Parkinson's disease or as an adjunct therapy in more advanced cases Ramipril is used to treat high blood pressure and congestive heart failure Risperidone (Risperdal) is an antipsychotic used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and irritability associated with autism Ropinirole is used in the treatment of Parkinson's disease and restless legs syndrome Sertraline (Zoloft) treats major depressive disorder Sildenafil (Viagra) is used to treat erectile dysfunction and pulmonary arterial hypertension Sodium valproate (or valproate sodium)is used in the treatment of epilepsy, anorexia nervosa, panic attack, anxiety disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, migraine and bipolar disorder Sotalol treats abnormal heart rhythms Tamsulosin (Flomax) helps with the passage of kidney stones Telmisartan is used in the management of hypertension Tibolone is used for menopausal hormone therapy and in the treatment of postmenopausal osteoporosis and endometriosis Valsartan treats high blood pressure, congestive heart failure, and to increase the chances of living longer after a heart attack Venlafaxine (Effexor) is an antidepressant medication Zopiclone treats insomnia Belfast Telegraph 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Tbf they come from a place with a historical gene pool so stupid they hung a monkey thinking it was French. Hartlepool being wiped out by brexit would be a positive. Maybe if we just had a ban on monkeys that would sort them out. Actually, come to think of it, just take them to the zoo and ask them to point out the Germans, Italians, Swedes, Greeks and so on. This could all be easier than we thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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