Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[welshbairn]

22 minutes ago, renton said:

No. They are applying a good standard of critical reasoning to the case in front of them based on the legal precedent of their jurisdiction.

 

 

Good and comprehensive thread on it here.

 

[hearthammer]

4 minutes ago, Donathan said:

Some optimism emerging for a deal today as Boris and Juncker agree to meet on Monday. Sense over the past 48-72 hours is that number 10 are starting to accept that agreeing a deal is the easiest way to achieve their promise of delivering Brexit on 31st October, rather than trying to pull some stunts to force a no-deal Brexit.

I agree with your sentiment, but remember he will have to placate the little englander "blighty rules the waves" crowd who want their ingurland reinstated as the world leaders and london declared the world's capital.

Re the judgement made in the Edinburgh courts, my understanding is that the Judges were not disputing the right of a prime minister to prorogue parliament, but they took exception to de pfeffelllllll doing so for an extended period to sneak away into hiding to run his no deal through without parliament having the opportunity to question or try and achieve some kind of consensus for the 4 equal partners (aye, ah ken ) in this union that apparently exists.  No doubt some of the cricketing fraternity will disagree.

[Pet Jeden]

8 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I cannot think of any deal that Johnson could agree with the EU that would get the backing of Parliament.

Might this time.

1. Half the Conservative Party would be inclined to bottle a no deal Brexit.

2. One third of the Labour Party are more scared of an election as Brexit-Blockers than they are keen on skewering Boris.

3. DUP's reduced leverage will make them more flexible.

4. Only the SNP and the Lib Dems and Changelings are ideologically  opposed to any type of Brexit, even with a deal.

5. EU Council (not commission or negotiating team) will give a bit.

If none of the above happens, we'll be okay. Except internet pant-wetters - they might combust. But they will have the satisfaction of being able to blame every single problem for the next 2 decades on Brexit.

[welshbairn]

The ERG would fold if it was either a deal or a referendum.

[Jacksgranda]

15 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

Might this time.

1. Half the Conservative Party would be inclined to bottle a no deal Brexit.

2. One third of the Labour Party are more scared of an election as Brexit-Blockers than they are keen on skewering Boris.

3. DUP's reduced leverage will make them more flexible.

4. Only the SNP and the Lib Dems and Changelings are ideologically  opposed to any type of Brexit, even with a deal.

5. EU Council (not commission or negotiating team) will give a bit.

If none of the above happens, we'll be okay. Except internet pant-wetters - they might combust. But they will have the satisfaction of being able to blame every single problem for the next 2 decades on Brexit.

I take it you mean it will make the Conservatives more flexible?

[hearthammer]

2 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Being new to the discussion on here and the current Brexit debate I take it Boris Johnston and the government have already planned out how we can all move forward on the event of a no deal exit. I've probably missed this being away but I take it everyone knows the Government manifesto already, ...........we've been told the master plan, haven't we?? haven't we??

Is there something we are not being told about such as is the rapture coming?

 

 

[O'Kelly Isley III]

Might this time.
1. Half the Conservative Party would be inclined to bottle a no deal Brexit.
2. One third of the Labour Party are more scared of an election as Brexit-Blockers than they are keen on skewering Boris.
3. DUP's reduced leverage will make them more flexible.
4. Only the SNP and the Lib Dems and Changelings are ideologically  opposed to any type of Brexit, even with a deal.
5. EU Council (not commission or negotiating team) will give a bit.
If none of the above happens, we'll be okay. Except internet pant-wetters - they might combust. But they will have the satisfaction of being able to blame every single problem for the next 2 decades on Brexit.

I'd recently become concerned about the paucity of nonsense on this thread, so fair play for addressing my worries.

[renton]

54 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Not sure about the social and economic upside to that, but the political upside could be brilliant.  At the forthcoming GE:

1. The Brexit Party would stand against the Tories.

2. Labour could deselect all the arseholes who vote with Johnson.

3.  The SNP would have a near clean sweep.

 

I suspect the Brexit party wouldn't get as much traction as they'd hope. I reckon a lot of folk would, ironically, take the view that Brexit mean Brexit. In other words, so long as it's done some way, they won't care. Bleating about 'clean' No deal Brexits after the fact would not help Farage a lot, I don't think.

Then the election comes down to  public spending. Labour can usually offer more here, but I suspect that with Brexit in his pocket that'll act as some kind of armour for Johnson.

Under that scenario, the SNP can claim they played Brexit with a straight bat, and hopefully they can make a strong pro Indy pitch.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Anti baldness and Viagra meds in there. That needs more publicity, gammons everywhere will immediately be begging to remain [emoji23]

[Mark Connolly]

1 hour ago, Crùbag said:

Janey Godley. 

 

Did he tell her she was funny?

[ayrmad]

3 hours ago, Snafu said:

Article in the Belfast Telegraph on medicines that will be hard to get if we crash out of Europe

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/revealed-59-vital-medicines-that-may-be-impossible-to-get-if-the-uk-crashes-out-of-europe-38492903.html

Here is the full list of medications which could be affected by a no-deal Brexit, according to E-Surgery:

• Acamprosate (Campral) treats alcohol dependence
• Aciclovir (Acyclovir) treats herpes, simplex virus infections, chickenpox, and shingles
• Allopurinol prevents gout, specific types of kidney stones and side effects that can occur with chemotherapy
• Amlodipine treats hypertension and coronary artery disease
• Baclofen treats spasticity
• Bendroflumethiazide is used in the management of hypertension
• Brinzolamide Eye Drops treats ocular hypertension and open-angle glaucoma
• Calcipotriol ointment treats psoriasis
• Candesartan treats hypertension and congestive heart failure
• Cetirizine is an antihistamine
• Citalopram is an antidepressant
• Co-careldopa manages the symptoms of Parkinson's disease
• Co-codamol is a pain relief
• Cyclizine treats and prevents nausea, vomiting and dizziness due to motion sickness or vertigo
• Desogestrel (Cerelle) is a birth control pills for women and also treats menopausal symptoms in women
• Dihydrocodeine is a pain relief
• Dispersible Aspirin tablets treat pain, fever, or inflammation and is used as a blood thinner
• Dosulepin (Prothiaden) is used in the treatment of depression
• Doxycycline is an antibiotic used in the treatment of pneumonia, acne, chlamydia infections, early Lyme disease, cholera and syphilis
• Esomeprazole (Nexium) reduces stomach acid
• Exemestane (Aromasin) is used to treat breast cancer
• Finasteride (Proscar/Propecia) treats an enlarged prostate or scalp hair loss in men. It can also be used to treat excessive hair growth in women and as a part of hormone therapy for transgender women
• Glimepiride (Amaryl) is an anti-diabetic medication
• Hydrocortisone is a steroid medicine
• Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) is used for the prevention and treatment of certain types of malaria as well as rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and porphyria cutanea tarda
• Irbesartan is used for the treatment of hypertension
• Lansoprazole controls the stomach's production of gastric acid
• Liquid Carbamazepine (Tegretol) treats epilepsy, neuropathic pain, and schizophrenia
• Lisinopril treats hypertension, heart failure, and is used after heart attacks
• Lofepramine (Gamanil/Lomont/Tymelyt) treats depression
• Losartan (Cozaar) treas hypertension, diabetic kidney disease, heart failure, and left ventricular enlargement
• Meloxicam (Mobic) treats pain and inflammation in rheumatic diseases and osteoarthritis
• Metformin (Glucophage) is an type 2 diabetes medication
• Metoclopramide is used to treat and prevent nausea and vomiting. It is also used to treat migraine headaches
• Metronidazole (Flagyl) treat spelvic inflammatory disease, endocarditis, and bacterial vaginosis
• Naproxen (Aleve/Naprosyn) treats pain, menstrual cramps, inflammatory diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, and fever
• Nebivolol treats hypertension
• Nifedipine (Adalat) is used to manage angina, hypertension, Raynaud's phenomenon, and premature labour
• Nortriptyline (Allegron/Aventyl/Noritren/Nortrilen/Pamelor) treats clinical depression and childhood bed wetting
• Olanzapine (Zyprexa) treats schizophrenia and bipolar disorder
• Olmesartan treats hypertension
• Omeprazole treats gastroesophageal reflux, peptic ulcer disease, and Zollinger-Ellison syndrome
• Oxybutynin relieves urinary and bladder difficulties
• Prednisolone is a steroid medication
• Pregabalin (Lyrica) treats epilepsy, neuropathic pain, fibromyalgia, restless leg syndrome, and generalized anxiety disorder
• Quetiapine (Seroquel) treats schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder
• Rasagiline treats symptoms in early Parkinson's disease or as an adjunct therapy in more advanced cases
• Ramipril is used to treat high blood pressure and congestive heart failure
• Risperidone (Risperdal) is an antipsychotic used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and irritability associated with autism
• Ropinirole is used in the treatment of Parkinson's disease and restless legs syndrome
• Sertraline (Zoloft) treats major depressive disorder
• Sildenafil (Viagra) is used to treat erectile dysfunction and pulmonary arterial hypertension
• Sodium valproate (or valproate sodium)is used in the treatment of epilepsy, anorexia nervosa, panic attack, anxiety disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, migraine and bipolar disorder
• Sotalol treats abnormal heart rhythms
• Tamsulosin (Flomax) helps with the passage of kidney stones
• Telmisartan is used in the management of hypertension
• Tibolone is used for menopausal hormone therapy and in the treatment of postmenopausal osteoporosis and endometriosis
• Valsartan treats high blood pressure, congestive heart failure, and to increase the chances of living longer after a heart attack

• Venlafaxine (Effexor) is an antidepressant medication

• Zopiclone treats insomnia

 

Belfast Telegraph

Only half of mine are there, get Brexit sorted.

[Suspect Device]

1 out of 4 of mine are there. Ramipril.

 

I'll be fine or I've got a 1 in 4 chance of being OK.

 

Edit: Talking bollocks. 2 out of 4. Dispersible aspirin as well.

Edited September 13, 2019 by Suspect Device

[beefybake]

1 hour ago, Pet Jeden said:

Might this time.

1. Half the Conservative Party would be inclined to bottle a no deal Brexit.

2. One third of the Labour Party are more scared of an election as Brexit-Blockers than they are keen on skewering Boris.

3. DUP's reduced leverage will make them more flexible.

4. Only the SNP and the Lib Dems and Changelings are ideologically  opposed to any type of Brexit, even with a deal.

5. EU Council (not commission or negotiating team) will give a bit.

If none of the above happens, we'll be okay. Except internet pant-wetters - they might combust. But they will have the satisfaction of being able to blame every single problem for the next 2 decades on Brexit.

To be fair..., total crap.

[Detournement]

1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

Good and comprehensive thread on it here.

 

That clears things up a fair bit. 

The two cases they cite as precedent don't look very relevant especially as one of the judges they cite has said the opposite on this issue. Pointing to a reference to the "principles of democracy" seems extremely grasping. 

[Fullerene]

1 hour ago, Snafu said:

Being new to the discussion on here and the current Brexit debate I take it Boris Johnston and the government have already planned out how we can all move forward on the event of a no deal exit. I've probably missed this being away but I take it everyone knows the Government manifesto already, ...........we've been told the master plan, haven't we?? haven't we??

Is there something we are not being told about such as is the rapture coming?

 

We leave the EU on 31st October and live happily ever after. 

Are you needing more detail than that?  Why?

[carpetmonster]

We've not got a written constitution though.
And at least in America there is some democratic oversight of the judiciary unlike here.

Si, politicization of the judiciary is an excellent idea. I like beer, and such.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Defections in the North East of England. 9 Hartlepool councilors of various parties jump ship to the Brexit Party so to put their country first before their party in the belief that a successful deal with the Tories is immanent.
Good for them, its great to see moralistic decision makers reveal how far they will go to defend their beliefs when they fear not being on the winning side, must think of their careers first.
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/nine-hartlepool-councillors-defect-brexit-16911069
 
 

Tbf they come from a place with a historical gene pool so stupid they hung a monkey thinking it was French. Hartlepool being wiped out by brexit would be a positive.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Tbf they come from a place with a historical gene pool so stupid they hung a monkey thinking it was French. Hartlepool being wiped out would be a positive.

FTFY

[Bairnardo]

Tbf they come from a place with a historical gene puddle so stupid they hung a monkey thinking it was French. Hartlepool being wiped out by brexit would be a positive.

[HTG]

7 hours ago, Snafu said:

Article in the Belfast Telegraph on medicines that will be hard to get if we crash out of Europe

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/revealed-59-vital-medicines-that-may-be-impossible-to-get-if-the-uk-crashes-out-of-europe-38492903.html

Here is the full list of medications which could be affected by a no-deal Brexit, according to E-Surgery:

• Acamprosate (Campral) treats alcohol dependence
• Aciclovir (Acyclovir) treats herpes, simplex virus infections, chickenpox, and shingles
• Allopurinol prevents gout, specific types of kidney stones and side effects that can occur with chemotherapy
• Amlodipine treats hypertension and coronary artery disease
• Baclofen treats spasticity
• Bendroflumethiazide is used in the management of hypertension
• Brinzolamide Eye Drops treats ocular hypertension and open-angle glaucoma
• Calcipotriol ointment treats psoriasis
• Candesartan treats hypertension and congestive heart failure
• Cetirizine is an antihistamine
• Citalopram is an antidepressant
• Co-careldopa manages the symptoms of Parkinson's disease
• Co-codamol is a pain relief
• Cyclizine treats and prevents nausea, vomiting and dizziness due to motion sickness or vertigo
• Desogestrel (Cerelle) is a birth control pills for women and also treats menopausal symptoms in women
• Dihydrocodeine is a pain relief
• Dispersible Aspirin tablets treat pain, fever, or inflammation and is used as a blood thinner
• Dosulepin (Prothiaden) is used in the treatment of depression
• Doxycycline is an antibiotic used in the treatment of pneumonia, acne, chlamydia infections, early Lyme disease, cholera and syphilis
• Esomeprazole (Nexium) reduces stomach acid
• Exemestane (Aromasin) is used to treat breast cancer
• Finasteride (Proscar/Propecia) treats an enlarged prostate or scalp hair loss in men. It can also be used to treat excessive hair growth in women and as a part of hormone therapy for transgender women
• Glimepiride (Amaryl) is an anti-diabetic medication
• Hydrocortisone is a steroid medicine
• Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) is used for the prevention and treatment of certain types of malaria as well as rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and porphyria cutanea tarda
• Irbesartan is used for the treatment of hypertension
• Lansoprazole controls the stomach's production of gastric acid
• Liquid Carbamazepine (Tegretol) treats epilepsy, neuropathic pain, and schizophrenia
• Lisinopril treats hypertension, heart failure, and is used after heart attacks
• Lofepramine (Gamanil/Lomont/Tymelyt) treats depression
• Losartan (Cozaar) treas hypertension, diabetic kidney disease, heart failure, and left ventricular enlargement
• Meloxicam (Mobic) treats pain and inflammation in rheumatic diseases and osteoarthritis
• Metformin (Glucophage) is an type 2 diabetes medication
• Metoclopramide is used to treat and prevent nausea and vomiting. It is also used to treat migraine headaches
• Metronidazole (Flagyl) treat spelvic inflammatory disease, endocarditis, and bacterial vaginosis
• Naproxen (Aleve/Naprosyn) treats pain, menstrual cramps, inflammatory diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, and fever
• Nebivolol treats hypertension
• Nifedipine (Adalat) is used to manage angina, hypertension, Raynaud's phenomenon, and premature labour
• Nortriptyline (Allegron/Aventyl/Noritren/Nortrilen/Pamelor) treats clinical depression and childhood bed wetting
• Olanzapine (Zyprexa) treats schizophrenia and bipolar disorder
• Olmesartan treats hypertension
• Omeprazole treats gastroesophageal reflux, peptic ulcer disease, and Zollinger-Ellison syndrome
• Oxybutynin relieves urinary and bladder difficulties
• Prednisolone is a steroid medication
• Pregabalin (Lyrica) treats epilepsy, neuropathic pain, fibromyalgia, restless leg syndrome, and generalized anxiety disorder
• Quetiapine (Seroquel) treats schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder
• Rasagiline treats symptoms in early Parkinson's disease or as an adjunct therapy in more advanced cases
• Ramipril is used to treat high blood pressure and congestive heart failure
• Risperidone (Risperdal) is an antipsychotic used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and irritability associated with autism
• Ropinirole is used in the treatment of Parkinson's disease and restless legs syndrome
• Sertraline (Zoloft) treats major depressive disorder
• Sildenafil (Viagra) is used to treat erectile dysfunction and pulmonary arterial hypertension
• Sodium valproate (or valproate sodium)is used in the treatment of epilepsy, anorexia nervosa, panic attack, anxiety disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, migraine and bipolar disorder
• Sotalol treats abnormal heart rhythms
• Tamsulosin (Flomax) helps with the passage of kidney stones
• Telmisartan is used in the management of hypertension
• Tibolone is used for menopausal hormone therapy and in the treatment of postmenopausal osteoporosis and endometriosis
• Valsartan treats high blood pressure, congestive heart failure, and to increase the chances of living longer after a heart attack

• Venlafaxine (Effexor) is an antidepressant medication

• Zopiclone treats insomnia

 

Belfast Telegraph