welshbairn Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 55 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: That's what most political parties offer. There aren't too many altruistic voters about who will vote for tax increases (on themselves) for jam in 20 years time. If people on low to average wages stopped voting for parties offering tax cuts for the rich, the Tories would never get in again. Altruistic c***s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Has anyone looked at the actual reasons for the Scottish court verdict? Going by the Guardian report they seem to believe that the government needs to be able to justify their actions to the court which is a worry. It also states that's it unlawful without saying which law. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Has anyone looked at the actual reasons for the Scottish court verdict? Going by the Guardian report they seem to believe that the government needs to be able to justify their actions to the court which is a worry. It also states that's it unlawful without saying which law.Are you implying that the 3 most senior judges in Scotland don’t know the rules and laws on this? Jesus. [emoji23] 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 We are going to need a bigger train Article in the Belfast Telegraph on medicines that will be hard to get if we crash out of Europe https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/revealed-59-vital-medicines-that-may-be-impossible-to-get-if-the-uk-crashes-out-of-europe-38492903.html Here is the full list of medications which could be affected by a no-deal Brexit, according to E-Surgery: Acamprosate (Campral) treats alcohol dependence Aciclovir (Acyclovir) treats herpes, simplex virus infections, chickenpox, and shingles Allopurinol prevents gout, specific types of kidney stones and side effects that can occur with chemotherapy Amlodipine treats hypertension and coronary artery disease Baclofen treats spasticity Bendroflumethiazide is used in the management of hypertension Brinzolamide Eye Drops treats ocular hypertension and open-angle glaucoma Calcipotriol ointment treats psoriasis Candesartan treats hypertension and congestive heart failure Cetirizine is an antihistamine Citalopram is an antidepressant Co-careldopa manages the symptoms of Parkinson's disease Co-codamol is a pain relief Cyclizine treats and prevents nausea, vomiting and dizziness due to motion sickness or vertigo Desogestrel (Cerelle) is a birth control pills for women and also treats menopausal symptoms in women Dihydrocodeine is a pain relief Dispersible Aspirin tablets treat pain, fever, or inflammation and is used as a blood thinner Dosulepin (Prothiaden) is used in the treatment of depression Doxycycline is an antibiotic used in the treatment of pneumonia, acne, chlamydia infections, early Lyme disease, cholera and syphilis Esomeprazole (Nexium) reduces stomach acid Exemestane (Aromasin) is used to treat breast cancer Finasteride (Proscar/Propecia) treats an enlarged prostate or scalp hair loss in men. It can also be used to treat excessive hair growth in women and as a part of hormone therapy for transgender women Glimepiride (Amaryl) is an anti-diabetic medication Hydrocortisone is a steroid medicine Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) is used for the prevention and treatment of certain types of malaria as well as rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and porphyria cutanea tarda Irbesartan is used for the treatment of hypertension Lansoprazole controls the stomach's production of gastric acid Liquid Carbamazepine (Tegretol) treats epilepsy, neuropathic pain, and schizophrenia Lisinopril treats hypertension, heart failure, and is used after heart attacks Lofepramine (Gamanil/Lomont/Tymelyt) treats depression Losartan (Cozaar) treas hypertension, diabetic kidney disease, heart failure, and left ventricular enlargement Meloxicam (Mobic) treats pain and inflammation in rheumatic diseases and osteoarthritis Metformin (Glucophage) is an type 2 diabetes medication Metoclopramide is used to treat and prevent nausea and vomiting. It is also used to treat migraine headaches Metronidazole (Flagyl) treat spelvic inflammatory disease, endocarditis, and bacterial vaginosis Naproxen (Aleve/Naprosyn) treats pain, menstrual cramps, inflammatory diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, and fever Nebivolol treats hypertension Nifedipine (Adalat) is used to manage angina, hypertension, Raynaud's phenomenon, and premature labour Nortriptyline (Allegron/Aventyl/Noritren/Nortrilen/Pamelor) treats clinical depression and childhood bed wetting Olanzapine (Zyprexa) treats schizophrenia and bipolar disorder Olmesartan treats hypertension Omeprazole treats gastroesophageal reflux, peptic ulcer disease, and Zollinger-Ellison syndrome Oxybutynin relieves urinary and bladder difficulties Prednisolone is a steroid medication Pregabalin (Lyrica) treats epilepsy, neuropathic pain, fibromyalgia, restless leg syndrome, and generalized anxiety disorder Quetiapine (Seroquel) treats schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder Rasagiline treats symptoms in early Parkinson's disease or as an adjunct therapy in more advanced cases Ramipril is used to treat high blood pressure and congestive heart failure Risperidone (Risperdal) is an antipsychotic used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and irritability associated with autism Ropinirole is used in the treatment of Parkinson's disease and restless legs syndrome Sertraline (Zoloft) treats major depressive disorder Sildenafil (Viagra) is used to treat erectile dysfunction and pulmonary arterial hypertension Sodium valproate (or valproate sodium)is used in the treatment of epilepsy, anorexia nervosa, panic attack, anxiety disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, migraine and bipolar disorder Sotalol treats abnormal heart rhythms Tamsulosin (Flomax) helps with the passage of kidney stones Telmisartan is used in the management of hypertension Tibolone is used for menopausal hormone therapy and in the treatment of postmenopausal osteoporosis and endometriosis Valsartan treats high blood pressure, congestive heart failure, and to increase the chances of living longer after a heart attack Venlafaxine (Effexor) is an antidepressant medication Zopiclone treats insomnia Belfast Telegraph 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 32 minutes ago, Detournement said: Going by the Guardian report they seem to believe that the government needs to be able to justify their actions to the court which is a worry. Why would that be a worry? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, SweeperDee said: Are you implying that the 3 most senior judges in Scotland don’t know the rules and laws on this? Jesus. 7 judges have looked at it so far and the score is 4-3 to the government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, Snafu said: Article in the Belfast Telegraph on medicines that will be hard to get if we crash out of Europe https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/revealed-59-vital-medicines-that-may-be-impossible-to-get-if-the-uk-crashes-out-of-europe-38492903.html Here is the full list of medications which could be affected by a no-deal Brexit, according to E-Surgery: Sildenafil (Viagra) is used to treat erectile dysfunction and pulmonary arterial hypertension Belfast Telegraph The Bunfields will not stand for that. They'll be demanding a general erection. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ross. said: Why would that be a worry? It sets a precedent that activist courts can over rule the government for weak reasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Detournement said: 7 judges have looked at it so far and the score is 4-3 to the government. Not sure what your point is. The eccentricities of each jurisdiction will obviously impact which way a given Jurist will find for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Detournement said: It sets a precedent that activist courts can over rule the government for weak reasons. As opposed to weak courts that an activist government can safely ignore? Also, not sure shutting down the legislature for 5 weeks with the express purpose of preventing that body from it's constitutional duty of holding the executive to account can be described as 'weak reasons'... Edited September 13, 2019 by renton 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Just now, Detournement said: It sets a precedent that activist courts can over rule the government for weak reasons. One way of looking at it, but not how I would view it. Are you suggesting that Parliament should be above the scope of judicial scrutiny? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, renton said: Not sure what your point is. The eccentricities of each jurisdiction will obviously impact which way a given Jurist will find for. Had you ever heard of the UK constitution being different in Edinburgh than it is in London or Belfast before this week? It seems absurd to me which is why I'm interested in which laws they are citing. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 38 minutes ago, SweeperDee said: Are you implying that the 3 most senior judges in Scotland don’t know the rules and laws on this? Jesus. People are sick of experts. Just get on with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, renton said: As opposed to weak courts that an activist government can safely ignore? If a court is going to over rule a government with a democratic mandate it surely has to have to absolutely concrete reasons which doesn't seem to be the case here. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Detournement said: 7 judges have looked at it so far and the score is 4-3 to the government. And your point is ? I just wondered.... Given that your views as expressed on here are mostly supportive of the power of centralised government, ie power flows downwards. .., Russia etc, I just wondered if that colours your question ? Or is it that a funder of the action before the Scottish judges was a corporate..., Ecotricity, I think ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Detournement said: Had you ever heard of the UK constitution being different in Edinburgh than it is in London or Belfast before this week? It seems absurd to me which is why I'm interested in which laws they are citing. Scots law is rooted in a number of different traditions and doctrines from that of English law. Nothing to do with the Claim of Rights or anything else, but it does influence the mindset of the judiciary and how they approach the same case. You might call that activist by the courts but it's also plainly rooted in the obvious reality of the situation: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Detournement said: If a court is going to over rule a government with a democratic mandate it surely has to have to absolutely concrete reasons which doesn't seem to be the case here. The executive has a democratic mandate to shut down the legislature in order to avoid scrutiny of it's decisions? When did that happen? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 43 minutes ago, Snafu said: Article in the Belfast Telegraph on medicines that will be hard to get if we crash out of Europe https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/revealed-59-vital-medicines-that-may-be-impossible-to-get-if-the-uk-crashes-out-of-europe-38492903.html Here is the full list of medications which could be affected by a no-deal Brexit, according to E-Surgery: Acamprosate (Campral) treats alcohol dependence Aciclovir (Acyclovir) treats herpes, simplex virus infections, chickenpox, and shingles Allopurinol prevents gout, specific types of kidney stones and side effects that can occur with chemotherapy Amlodipine treats hypertension and coronary artery disease Baclofen treats spasticity Bendroflumethiazide is used in the management of hypertension Brinzolamide Eye Drops treats ocular hypertension and open-angle glaucoma Calcipotriol ointment treats psoriasis Candesartan treats hypertension and congestive heart failure Cetirizine is an antihistamine Citalopram is an antidepressant Co-careldopa manages the symptoms of Parkinson's disease Co-codamol is a pain relief Cyclizine treats and prevents nausea, vomiting and dizziness due to motion sickness or vertigo Desogestrel (Cerelle) is a birth control pills for women and also treats menopausal symptoms in women Dihydrocodeine is a pain relief Dispersible Aspirin tablets treat pain, fever, or inflammation and is used as a blood thinner Dosulepin (Prothiaden) is used in the treatment of depression Doxycycline is an antibiotic used in the treatment of pneumonia, acne, chlamydia infections, early Lyme disease, cholera and syphilis Esomeprazole (Nexium) reduces stomach acid Exemestane (Aromasin) is used to treat breast cancer Finasteride (Proscar/Propecia) treats an enlarged prostate or scalp hair loss in men. It can also be used to treat excessive hair growth in women and as a part of hormone therapy for transgender women Glimepiride (Amaryl) is an anti-diabetic medication Hydrocortisone is a steroid medicine Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) is used for the prevention and treatment of certain types of malaria as well as rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and porphyria cutanea tarda Irbesartan is used for the treatment of hypertension Lansoprazole controls the stomach's production of gastric acid Liquid Carbamazepine (Tegretol) treats epilepsy, neuropathic pain, and schizophrenia Lisinopril treats hypertension, heart failure, and is used after heart attacks Lofepramine (Gamanil/Lomont/Tymelyt) treats depression Losartan (Cozaar) treas hypertension, diabetic kidney disease, heart failure, and left ventricular enlargement Meloxicam (Mobic) treats pain and inflammation in rheumatic diseases and osteoarthritis Metformin (Glucophage) is an type 2 diabetes medication Metoclopramide is used to treat and prevent nausea and vomiting. It is also used to treat migraine headaches Metronidazole (Flagyl) treat spelvic inflammatory disease, endocarditis, and bacterial vaginosis Naproxen (Aleve/Naprosyn) treats pain, menstrual cramps, inflammatory diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, and fever Nebivolol treats hypertension Nifedipine (Adalat) is used to manage angina, hypertension, Raynaud's phenomenon, and premature labour Nortriptyline (Allegron/Aventyl/Noritren/Nortrilen/Pamelor) treats clinical depression and childhood bed wetting Olanzapine (Zyprexa) treats schizophrenia and bipolar disorder Olmesartan treats hypertension Omeprazole treats gastroesophageal reflux, peptic ulcer disease, and Zollinger-Ellison syndrome Oxybutynin relieves urinary and bladder difficulties Prednisolone is a steroid medication Pregabalin (Lyrica) treats epilepsy, neuropathic pain, fibromyalgia, restless leg syndrome, and generalized anxiety disorder Quetiapine (Seroquel) treats schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder Rasagiline treats symptoms in early Parkinson's disease or as an adjunct therapy in more advanced cases Ramipril is used to treat high blood pressure and congestive heart failure Risperidone (Risperdal) is an antipsychotic used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and irritability associated with autism Ropinirole is used in the treatment of Parkinson's disease and restless legs syndrome Sertraline (Zoloft) treats major depressive disorder Sildenafil (Viagra) is used to treat erectile dysfunction and pulmonary arterial hypertension Sodium valproate (or valproate sodium)is used in the treatment of epilepsy, anorexia nervosa, panic attack, anxiety disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, migraine and bipolar disorder Sotalol treats abnormal heart rhythms Tamsulosin (Flomax) helps with the passage of kidney stones Telmisartan is used in the management of hypertension Tibolone is used for menopausal hormone therapy and in the treatment of postmenopausal osteoporosis and endometriosis Valsartan treats high blood pressure, congestive heart failure, and to increase the chances of living longer after a heart attack Venlafaxine (Effexor) is an antidepressant medication Zopiclone treats insomnia Belfast Telegraph Just the two of mine, then. At least my Vitamin E seems to be alright - a great comfort when my mandibular fracture takes twice as long to heal, and my ulcer makes its long-awaited return. On the other hand, I'm fairly sure there's alternatives to dispersible aspirin... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Detournement said: If a court is going to over rule a government with a democratic mandate it surely has to have to absolutely concrete reasons which doesn't seem to be the case here. And if ever a court does, I'm sure they will have watertight reasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearthammer Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Day of the Lords said: He looks about two financial years-worth of bad results away from a massive heart-attack which would be a handy bonus tbh. 2 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Be great if Martin took over The The Rangers in 5 years time. He could set up the main bar in the trophy room as it has the most space to work with. Would he rename it in line with the other converted buildings he's taken over ?? Maybe The Bitter Naranja or The Lazarus Hoose 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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