1320Lichtie Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Project Brave (in so far as it deals at all with lower league football) pretty obviously has calculated that the 5-6000 of us who regularly watch football in the bottom two divisions every weekend, can basically be thrown under a bus. With Raith and Ayr in the leagues it'll be a lot more than that now. Lower league football is great. Just look at how dramatic it's been over the years.... Why spoil it? If there are players that are 20 year old and still playing under 20 football they're never making it at international level anyway. We've had two Rangers under 20 guys at us the past few seasons. One ended up at Annan and a guy we had on trial was fucking hopeless against Turriff. Away back to Nigeria. Wtf are these clowns hoping to achieve. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 not me you need to convince, really...it's the Project Brave "strategists" and the armchair replica shirt-wearing roasters who wouldn't dream of ever going to an actual game at our level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Rangers Under 20s v Annan at Forthbank Celtic Under 20s v Montrose at Cappielow. sure fire sellout crowds and HUGE tv ratings. In the Sunday Mail today they were not only expecting the colt teams stuff to be approved, they were expecting it within 2 years IIRC! Crowds were horrendous in the Challenge Cup last year, despite the clear novelty of it and rock bottom admission prices. The supposed cream in Celtic were embarrassed by Livingston and the rest were sent packing early doors. Is it really all about Premier Sports paying 5 grand a match to show Rangers U20s v Celtic Under 20s at Broadwood? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Snakebite said: ...Is it really all about Premier Sports paying 5 grand a match to show Rangers U20s v Celtic Under 20s at Broadwood? Think it's mainly about player development as the U-20 league format isn't getting the job done. If the colt teams start off in a division with the top LL and HL clubs (probably mainly the former) as appears to be the plan there's no guarantee they will ever actually get into League One and League Two. Most of these players don't wind up making it and the colt teams didn't exactly set the heather on fire in last season's Challenge Cup when weakened lineups were often being fielded against them. It's arguably more likely to ease the path of the likes of Spartans, Cove Rangers and East Kilbride into League Two and lessens the danger of smaller SPFL clubs tumbling into a regional league format, if there are now ten plus more teams playing at a national level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Contact your clubs, people. Complaining to the SPFL will result in zero fucks being given, as they already know the idea's as popular with lower-league fans as dugshite in the pies. Your club, however, may have cause to think twice if they calculate that the bribes from the SPFL may not meet the money lost from ticket sales. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FREDDYFRY Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 As with many more on here; if / when this is introduced that will be me done. No interest in this, totally disrespectful to lower league clubs and supporters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haufdaft Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Rangers have signed another foreign player. One of many. Celtic continuously sign young foreign players.That is the real reason why young players do not develop in greater numbers at these clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichtie78 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 I'd imagine over the course of a season all Colt teams would struggle badly, bar maybe Celtic. The quality just isn't there. Look at Dundee for example, my pal plays for their 20s so I keep up to date with their results etc. There might be 3/4 players who are up to league 2 level (Skelly and Smyth who were at us, Curran at EF, Gourlay and Waddell at Clyde) but the rest are bang average. See them getting released and signing for Dundee Violet, North End etc which really isn't a good standard of football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 I really don't understand the faux outrage to this. The colts teams will be joining either the LL or HL. In fact it will probably be the East of Scotland or South of Scotland as the LL is currently full. What the majority of people seem to be missing is at this level we already have Reserve/Colts sides namely Annan Athletic, Stranraer and Stirling Uni Reserves! In the past also had Spartans and Hibs reserves. I dont recall anyone getting worked up over these teams! Old firm and other Premiership colt teams certainly make far more sense than Stirling Uni or Annan! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 1 minute ago, edinabear said: I really don't understand the faux outrage to this. The colts teams will be joining either the LL or HL. In fact it will probably be the East of Scotland or South of Scotland as the LL is currently full. What the majority of people seem to be missing is at this level we already have Reserve/Colts sides namely Annan Athletic, Stranraer and Stirling Uni Reserves! In the past also had Spartans and Hibs reserves. I dont recall anyone getting worked up over these teams! Old firm and other Premiership colt teams certainly make far more sense than Stirling Uni or Annan! The likes of Stranraer and Annan's reserves are essentially playing at a level no better than amateur where fan interest is none and its really about participation, so by degrading the product what do clubs at the level stand to lose by allowing in SPFL second string clubs? Additionally, geographically and financially, it is more suitable for them to play local teams as opposed to travelling nationally. Unlike their first teams who have many central belt based players, their younger squads are largely reliant on players in the more immediate area. Also, whats the ambition of SOS clubs? For those clubs who want to progress, how much of a threat should Stranraer's second string be say compared to Celtic with comparatively unlimited resources? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said: Think it's mainly about player development as the U-20 league format isn't getting the job done. If the colt teams start off in a division with the top LL and HL clubs (probably mainly the former) as appears to be the plan there's no guarantee they will ever actually get into League One and League Two. Most of these players don't wind up making it and the colt teams didn't exactly set the heather on fire in last season's Challenge Cup when weakened lineups were often being fielded against them. It's arguably more likely to ease the path of the likes of Spartans, Cove Rangers and East Kilbride into League Two and lessens the danger of smaller SPFL clubs tumbling into a regional league format, if there are now ten plus more teams playing at a national level. I think this is the more likely outcome. As you say guys in the LL and HL are no mugs and won't roll over easily to under 20 sides so it maybe wouldn't be as easy as some would think for them to get into League 2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, edinabear said: Old firm and other Premiership colt teams Why do you refer to the OF separately? Are they worthy of special treatment? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, GordonD said: Why do you refer to the OF separately? Are they worthy of special treatment? Nope, its just that most people seem to be referring to the Old firm in this context. I think every Premiership club should be given the opportunity to operate Colt teams if they want, Im not sure how many would take it up though 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 1 minute ago, edinabear said: Nope, its just that most people seem to be referring to the Old firm in this context. I think every Premiership club should be given the opportunity to operate Colt teams if they want, Im not sure how many would take it up though So Dundee United and ICT can piss off then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, GordonD said: So Dundee United and ICT can piss off then? Well yes actually, until the reach the Premiership. You have to draw the line somewhere surely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haufdaft Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Well yes actually, until the reach the Premiership. You have to draw the line somewhere surely? What happens if a team is relegated from the premiership? Is their colt team withdrawn? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Run Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 2 hours ago, edinabear said: I really don't understand the faux outrage to this. The colts teams will be joining either the LL or HL. In fact it will probably be the East of Scotland or South of Scotland as the LL is currently full. What the majority of people seem to be missing is at this level we already have Reserve/Colts sides namely Annan Athletic, Stranraer and Stirling Uni Reserves! In the past also had Spartans and Hibs reserves. I dont recall anyone getting worked up over these teams! Old firm and other Premiership colt teams certainly make far more sense than Stirling Uni or Annan! You're missing the key point with the reserve sides in Tier 6 - promotion from that level is forbidden for them, and the level is amateur generally played to sub-100 crowds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 (edited) I suggested using the proposal as a bargaining chip to introduce a West region feeder division, on another thread. I am uncomfortable with them being admitted, but thought that might be a compromise. I would choose not to watch the reserve teams. (I refuse to use the c word) Edited June 11, 2017 by Sergeant Wilson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilianlex Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 why is there no mention of the colts only being allowed to field Scottish players ? Isn't that meant to be the purpose to develop future scotland players or is that just an excuse for the bigot brothers to get their teams in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Time to resurrect the maximum-of-three-foreigners rule which would force teams to develop youngsters rather than importing players from Europe or further afield. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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