Antlion Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Drivel that Blair, Brown and Reid drove the political agenda? That Dim Dave Cameron fucked us wrt Brexit and Scexit? The Scots in government have been utterly abject so let's partition Britain, eh? Partition does seem to the political system of choice when it comes to the UK, whether it’s partitioning Ireland or Europe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Drivel that Blair, Brown and Reid drove the political agenda? That Dim Dave Cameron fucked us wrt Brexit and Scexit? The Scots in government have been utterly abject so let's partition Britain, eh? Yes, they were all in charge for the thick end of 40 years, including the English one. Stop havering for Christ's sake. Edited February 17, 2023 by Monkey Tennis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: I didn't read it but that Scotland and England have shared laws - in some areas - is beyond dispute. Taxation and immigration are two areas that stand out. UK Law would make sense since, of course, we've been one nation since 1707. How about Dominic Grieve when he was Attorney General? https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/two-jurisdictions-a-shared-inheritance "The United Kingdom enjoys 3 separate legal jurisdictions: England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, which each reflect their unique culture and history. Now this obvious truism is important because it is a feature of the United Kingdom that really does give us strength in numbers. As with the majority of Europe’s legal systems, Scots law takes much of its shape and character from Roman - or civil - law. The result of this is that Scots law makes use of concepts more common in those continental legal systems that can sometimes seem alien to we English and Welsh lawyers. One of the interesting aspects of being Attorney is that I have started to understand Scots legal principles far better through my contact with my colleague and friend Jim Wallace, the Advocate General. It is now over 300 years ago that Article 19 of the Treaty of Union ensured the continuation of Scotland’s legal system as a separate jurisdiction with separate courts within the United Kingdom, preserving its power and traditions. But while the law of Scotland and the law of England and Wales remain separate and distinct, the last 300 years have seen each system adapt to take the best from what the other has to offer." Edited February 17, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 You can't pin Davie Cameron on us ffs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Just now, Monkey Tennis said: Stop hovering for Christ's sake. Havering about what? About Scots' influence in British politics? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 The Scottish Reformation of 1560 and the English one under Henry VIII were hugely different. This was nothing at all to do with bringing Scotland and England together. That argument is utter nonsense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Yer tea's oot Kincardine. Give it a rest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: How about Dominic Grieve when he was Attorney General? Quote whomever you like. That Scots Law exists and that, in some areas, UK Law takes precedence is simply a matter of fact. That should be no surprise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, scottsdad said: The Scottish Reformation of 1560 and the English one under Henry VIII were hugely different. This was nothing at all to do with bringing Scotland and England together. That argument is utter nonsense. The Treaty of Leith of 1560 - which brought to an end The Auld Alliance - in which we sought hauners from England to oust Mary of Guise's French garrison - was the beginning of a cooperation that led to our union in 1707. Edit for completeness: Of course Scotland's reformation took a different path to that of England but there was a sweet spot wherein Protestant Scotland threw its lot in with Protestant England vs The Catholic Continent. Edited February 17, 2023 by The_Kincardine -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Quote whomever you like. That Scots Law exists and that, in some areas, UK Law takes precedence is simply a matter of fact. That should be no surprise. So Article 19 of the Treaty of Union is wrong? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: So Article 19 of the Treaty of Union is wrong? Again, that we have UK law is a given. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said: Again, that we have UK law is a given. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Which bit of 'UK Law' are you struggling with? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 You could have a million legal experts give the same view and the arsehole would still say he was right. It's like arguing with a child. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: You could have a million legal experts give the same view and the arsehole would still say he was right. It's like arguing with a child. Which bit of 'UK Law' are you struggling with? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Which bit of 'UK Law' are you struggling with? Almost every legal expert will tell you that Scotland has a separate legal system - yet you persist with your layman's pish. Both quotes I gave you were from the UK government's own websites. Edited February 17, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 51 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: I'm 63 and still quite dapper. I've been 'blown' a fair bit - but never by maps. I hate Americanisms, but this has given me the “ick” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Havering about what? About Scots' influence in British politics? Yes, you were havering about that, among other things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: The Treaty of Leith of 1560 - was the beginning of a cooperation that led to our union in 1707. The Anglo-Scottish War of 1650-52 would like a word. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orfc Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Nivver mind this shite - where's the 600k? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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