c***s on the road

[Derry Alli]

4 hours ago, Big Rider said:

I was driving up the M6 yesterday in the outside overtaking lane doing about 80mph. I see some guy in the middle lane in a black fiesta putting on his signal to get into my lane. He must be doing about 60mph at this point. As I overtake him he gives me the vicky and when he pulls out behind me he is furiously flashing his lights. I soon lose site of him in the distance as he struggles to overtake the other vehicles in the middle lane. 

I was driving home on the A92 a few weeks back when a guy in a Leiths van pulled into the inside lane as he had got himself trapped behind a van. A peep of my horn as it was exceptionally dangerous doing so as there was little space didn't eradicate his attitude, when alongside him we partook in some pleasant exchanges of "You're a funking rocket" while he sat there giving me the finger a smugly smiling at me like a village idiot. 

This never tempered my anger and I spent the rest of my journey home pulling out in front of him at every opportunity. It wasn't big and it certainly wasn't clever but a simple hands up apology in the fordt place would have sufficed.

I do some work in Leiths yards and I made it abundantly clear if I ever see him he'll be taking a left hand.

[Jacksgranda]

3 hours ago, Big Rider said:

Whit? Same rules would apply if I was doing 70 in the outside lane.

Do I have to brake just because he’s decided to indicate?

You don’t have a sluggish black Fiesta do you?
 

[Jacksgranda]

3 hours ago, CarrbridgeSaintee said:

Up here the drivers are generally quite pleasant.

Different story when I ‘dust venture south’ and encounter the aggression of the weege.

Do you drive an orange coloured car?

[CarrbridgeSaintee]

42 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

Do you drive an orange coloured car?

[Big Rider]

3 hours ago, coprolite said:

You might not have had to break at all.

If i need to overtake at 70, and some high blood pressure tit is raging up the outside, they'll be braking. I wouldn’t make them have to slam them on, mainly out of self preservation, but they can just wait till i'm finished overtaking. 

Maintaining that bubble is precisely why normal drivers may need to overake the lorry overtaking at 57 mph in the middle lane, and is made more difficult by antisocial drivers going too fast in the outside lane. 

Nah, this is total grampa stuff. 

The onus is on the slower car driver to use their own brakes or gears to maintain speed until its safe to come out into a faster lane. They should signal there intent when safe to do so.

Similarly, if I'm in the outside lane and a faster car approaches behind me I just pull into the next lane when its safe to do so and let them get on their way.

I'll leave it to the police to decide if they are travelling 'antisocially' as you say.

The rest of the journey was pretty good. There were hardly any lorries and most drivers pulled over after overtaking therefore i was often in the inside lane, jus keeping that bubble blowing along nicely.

[coprolite]

1 minute ago, Big Rider said:

Nah, this is total grampa stuff. 

The onus is on the slower car driver to use their own brakes or gears to maintain speed until its safe to come out into a faster lane. They should signal there intent when safe to do so.

Similarly, if I'm in the outside lane and a faster car approaches behind me I just pull into the next lane when its safe to do so and let them get on their way.

I'll leave it to the police to decide if they are travelling 'antisocially' as you say.

The rest of the journey was pretty good. There were hardly any lorries and most drivers pulled over after overtaking therefore i was often in the inside lane, jus keeping that bubble blowing along nicely.

? I didn't say anything about hogging the outside lane or pulling out dangerously. 

You don't get right of way for driving faster. That's bollocks. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, coprolite said:

? I didn't say anything about hogging the outside lane or pulling out dangerously. 

You don't get right of way for driving faster. That's bollocks. 

If you're pulling out making people brake then you're pulling out dangerously.

[sophia]

14 minutes ago, Big Rider said:

Nah, this is total grampa stuff. 

The onus is on the slower car driver to use their own brakes or gears to maintain speed until its safe to come out into a faster lane. They should signal there intent when safe to do so.

Similarly, if I'm in the outside lane and a faster car approaches behind me I just pull into the next lane when its safe to do so and let them get on their way.

I'll leave it to the police to decide if they are travelling 'antisocially' as you say.

The rest of the journey was pretty good. There were hardly any lorries and most drivers pulled over after overtaking therefore i was often in the inside lane, jus keeping that bubble blowing along nicely.

You were driving outside of the law, had a clear view of a developing situation and if an accident had occurred, you would've shared culpability.

What percentage do you reckon?

I'd say 60%

[parsforlife]

8 minutes ago, Empty It said:

If you're pulling out making people brake then you're pulling out dangerously.

That works generally but only when the driver can reasonably assume the speed of the other car in the outside lane,  if you look in the mirrors and see ample space to pull out even if the car behind is doing a bit over the speed limit then it can be considered ok.  You can’t expect someone to see a large gap but not move into it in case the car in the distance is doing 120 and is forced to slow down

Edited July 16, 2023 by parsforlife

[Big Rider]

10 minutes ago, coprolite said:

? I didn't say anything about hogging the outside lane or pulling out dangerously. 

Its what I originally commented on. Black Fiesta man's poor anticipation and his want to pull out could have been very dangerous.

You don't get right of way for driving faster. That's bollocks. 

My advice would be to just let the fast guys get by and leave it to the police to monitor. Its always good to let a pace-car take the lead on long motorway journeys.

 

[scottsdad]

For weeks, I've noticed vans up and down the M9 with idiot drivers. These all come from Advanced Construction Limited. A fleet of vans manned by roasters, always driving on folks bumpers and all over the place. 

[Derry Alli]

26 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

 Advanced Construction Limited. 

Cocaine cowboys.

[coprolite]

1 hour ago, Empty It said:

If you're pulling out making people brake then you're pulling out dangerously.

No, if you're making people brake unexpectedly and suddenly it's dangerous.

If they've got plenty time to react and just don't like slowing down, then start tailgating and flashing their lights, while gesticulating impotently, then that's a bonus. 

[Stellaboz]

It still amazes me to a degree that some morons still drove around with an indicator blinking away, miles from any junction or turn. 

[coprolite]

I've got a question for the panel here. 

Often on a motoway there’s a dedicated lane for a left turn, sometimes up to a mile or so from the junction, and marked by shorter, closer dotted lines. 

I've always thought that those mean you're OK to undertake.

Is that right? 

[alta-pete]

2 minutes ago, coprolite said:

I've got a question for the panel here. 

Often on a motoway there’s a dedicated lane for a left turn, sometimes up to a mile or so from the junction, and marked by shorter, closer dotted lines. 

I've always thought that those mean you're OK to undertake.

Is that right? 

I believe that if there’s a dawdler doing (say) 50mph appearing to be going straight on then 70mph on the filter lane and undertaking is allowed.

The correct version though is that you should ideally go round the dawdler as an overtake and then come back into the filter. It’s all about anticipation but, as is the name of this very thread, you just can’t trust the other c***s on the road to behave in a way that allows that preferred approach. 

[Salvo Montalbano]

34 minutes ago, coprolite said:

I've got a question for the panel here. 

Often on a motoway there’s a dedicated lane for a left turn, sometimes up to a mile or so from the junction, and marked by shorter, closer dotted lines. 

I've always thought that those mean you're OK to undertake.

Is that right? 

Yes, as long as you actually make the turn off. If you use it as an undertaking lane then no, that's not cricket.

[strichener]

2 hours ago, coprolite said:

No, if you're making people brake unexpectedly and suddenly it's dangerous.

If they've got plenty time to react and just don't like slowing down, then start tailgating and flashing their lights, while gesticulating impotently, then that's a bonus. 

The onus is on the car pulling out to overtake.

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Do not overtake unless you are sure it is safe and legal to do so. Overtake only on the right. You should

• check your mirrors
• take time to judge the speeds correctly
• make sure that the lane you will be joining is sufficiently clear ahead and behind
• take a quick sideways glance into the blind spot area to verify the position of a vehicle that may have disappeared from your view in the mirror
• remember that traffic may be coming up behind you very quickly. Check all your mirrors carefully. Look out for motorcyclists. When it is safe to do so, signal in plenty of time, then move out
• ensure you do not cut in on the vehicle you have overtaken
• be especially careful at night and in poor visibility when it is harder to judge speed and distance.

 

[die hard doonhamer]

The inability of people to use both lanes and merge in turn in the build up roadworks does my head in. 

[coprolite]

9 minutes ago, strichener said:

The onus is on the car pulling out to overtake.

 

All in line with what i said, no?