velo army Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 He was a regular customer when I worked in Greaves in 2002, so maybe 20 years. Thinking more about this Gough never seemed like he was comfortable talking to cameras and certainly never seemed hugely personable. Great player and a great leader on the pitch, but he always seemed introverted when I saw him either on telly or in real life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 On 29/03/2024 at 22:08, andyg83 said: I think it's pretty telling that Gough isn't a huge media figure despite being a great player in his day. That’s an absurd argument. There are literally hundreds of great players who aren’t huge media figures. It’s not an automatic right of passage. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 minute ago, Rugster said: That’s an absurd argument. There are literally hundreds of great players who aren’t huge media figures. It’s not an automatic right of passage. And frankly far too many utter jobbers (Michael Stewart, I'm specifically talking to you) who are. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Just now, velo army said: And frankly far too many utter jobbers (Michael Stewart, I'm specifically talking to you) who are. He played for Man Utd didn’t you know? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 11 minutes ago, Rugster said: He played for Man Utd didn’t you know? "Former Scotland International" Michael Stewart as he's often described. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRocketman II Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 I believe I recall exactly how the Richard Gough rumour started. It was actually Craig Brown who offered clarification and refuted it. Still don't know why Brown never picked up for Scotland though I think that harbours back to Gough's dressing room attitude and behaviour when Roxburgh was the manager and Brown was no2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 On 29/03/2024 at 22:08, andyg83 said: I think it's pretty telling that Gough isn't a huge media figure despite being a great player in his day. He's been a property developer in San Diego for most of the last 25 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, KingRocketman II said: I believe I recall exactly how the Richard Gough rumour started. It was actually Craig Brown who offered clarification and refuted it. Still don't know why Brown never picked up for Scotland though I think that harbours back to Gough's dressing room attitude and behaviour when Roxburgh was the manager and Brown was no2. Was that when Andy Roxburgh was accused of basing his tactics on tips he got from a taxi driver? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 51 minutes ago, bennett said: Was that when Andy Roxburgh was accused of basing his tactics on tips he got from a taxi driver? Yes. The 'taxi driver' was Bobby Robson. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybhoy Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 hours ago, bennett said: Was that when Andy Roxburgh was accused of basing his tactics on tips he got from a taxi driver? I recall reading an interview with one of the players from the Scotland side of that era, prior to Italia 90 Costa Rica played a friendly against Wales and their keeper was at fault for a goal after flapping at a cross or something. Tactical genius Roxburgh decided our main tactic in the opening match in Genoa against them would be to batter endless crosses in, utilising the 'talents' of that useless fucking carthorse Alan McInally, oh and the keeper naturally had a field day dealing with our innovative pan as we made a complete arse of ourselves against the supposed group minnows. I remember to this day launching my Italia 90 cube alarm clock off my bedroom wall at full time, resulting in me being late for school on several occasions 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 22 minutes ago, Flybhoy said: I recall reading an interview with one of the players from the Scotland side of that era, prior to Italia 90 Costa Rica played a friendly against Wales and their keeper was at fault for a goal after flapping at a cross or something. Tactical genius Roxburgh decided our main tactic in the opening match in Genoa against them would be to batter endless crosses in, utilising the 'talents' of that useless fucking carthorse Alan McInally, oh and the keeper naturally had a field day dealing with our innovative pan as we made a complete arse of ourselves against the supposed group minnows. I remember to this day launching my Italia 90 cube alarm clock off my bedroom wall at full time, resulting in me being late for school on several occasions It's better than that. Bora Milutinovic knew Roxburgh was watching so told the keeper to drop a few. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 58 minutes ago, Flybhoy said: I recall reading an interview with one of the players from the Scotland side of that era, prior to Italia 90 Costa Rica played a friendly against Wales and their keeper was at fault for a goal after flapping at a cross or something. Tactical genius Roxburgh decided our main tactic in the opening match in Genoa against them would be to batter endless crosses in, utilising the 'talents' of that useless fucking carthorse Alan McInally, oh and the keeper naturally had a field day dealing with our innovative pan as we made a complete arse of ourselves against the supposed group minnows. I remember to this day launching my Italia 90 cube alarm clock off my bedroom wall at full time, resulting in me being late for school on several occasions If it makes you feel better, I was in the stadium and we were just next to a big bunch of Costa Rica fans who were going crazy at the end. One of the lowest moments following Scotland tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 19 minutes ago, Leith Green said: If it makes you feel better, I was in the stadium and we were just next to a big bunch of Costa Rica fans who were going crazy at the end. One of the lowest moments following Scotland tbh. I was there too. Awful feeling. Many gut wrenching memories following Scotland down the years. Spare a thought for those poor souls who witnessed 1-1 against Iran in 1978. Arguably our worst result ever at a major finals given the talented players at our disposal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 TBF, Iran were Asian champions and a lot better than we were expecting, same as Peru. Admittedly not as impressive a boast as now, but the assumption should still have been that they'd be no mugs. If you look at their results at the time, there's a lot of narrow defeats and draws in friendlies with other European nations. The problem, as it always is with Scotland, is that the SFA didn't do their research and just assumed everything would be fine. The history of the Scottish national team is of the people in charge exhibiting extraordinary hubris, or just not giving a shit. When we've lost to (then-unfancied) sides like Costa Rica, we've absolutely deserved it; it's a shame it's always the players who take the blame. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Just now, BFTD said: TBF, Iran were Asian champions and a lot better than we were expecting, same as Peru. Admittedly not as impressive a boast as now, but the assumption should still have been that they'd be no mugs. If you look at their results at the time, there's a lot of narrow defeats and draws in friendlies with other European nations. The problem, as it always is with Scotland, is that the SFA didn't do their research and just assumed everything would be fine. The history of the Scottish national team is of the people in charge exhibiting extraordinary hubris, or just not giving a shit. When we've lost to (then-unfancied) sides like Costa Rica, we've absolutely deserved it; it's a shame it's always the players who take the blame. It goes all the way back to 1954. Quite jawdropping incompetence from the association. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Just now, Ranaldo Bairn said: It goes all the way back to 1954. Quite jawdropping incompetence from the association. "Switzerland's cold, right? Best pack only warm jerseys for this summer World Cup" 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 19 hours ago, DiegoDiego said: Is that not just because he's been living in the states for close to thirty years? He's a personality vacuum which doesn't help either. I'm another one of the unfortunates that was at the Costa Rica game. I can't say I enjoyed much about that world cup experience. You expect to get ripped off, but the travel arrangements and the Italians took it to a new level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 On 31/03/2024 at 22:38, Molotov said: I was there too. Awful feeling. Many gut wrenching memories following Scotland down the years. Spare a thought for those poor souls who witnessed 1-1 against Iran in 1978. Arguably our worst result ever at a major finals given the talented players at our disposal. Kevin "Bloody" Wilson on the right there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 41 minutes ago, tamthebam said: Kevin "Bloody" Wilson on the right there He must have had an absolute cūnt of a day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Gawd. That takes me back to pinching my dad's KBW cassette tape when in the house by myself and nearly dying at Hey Santa Claus you... and Mick Me Mate among so many classics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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