The official Boris pm cluster-fuck thread

[microdave]

Capitalism doesn't work.

Socialism doesn't work.

We keep trying one until it fails and then the other until that fails and go round in circles.

Unfortunately, I've got no idea what the solution is but I've resigned myself to the country being a shitshow wrapped in a clusterfuck for the rest of my time here.

[StellarHibee]

Just now, microdave said:

Capitalism doesn't work.

Socialism doesn't work.

We keep trying one until it fails and then the other until that fails and go round in circles.

Unfortunately, I've got no idea what the solution is but I've resigned myself to the country being a shitshow wrapped in a clusterfuck for the rest of my time here.

They both work when used together in appropriate measure. But what's best for everyone isn't best for multi-national corporations that thrive on a diet of full fat Capitalism that they lobby Governments to maintain while social programmes and public services are decimated.

[Granny Danger]

5 minutes ago, microdave said:

Capitalism doesn't work.

Socialism doesn't work.

We keep trying one until it fails and then the other until that fails and go round in circles.

Unfortunately, I've got no idea what the solution is but I've resigned myself to the country being a shitshow wrapped in a clusterfuck for the rest of my time here.

The only thing close to a ‘socialist’ government in the U.K. was post WW II and that achieved many/most its objectives.  Since the there’s been nothing approaching socialism that justifies your assertion.

The irony is there was a great deal of cross party political consensus on what was required post 1945.

[sophia]

15 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

The only thing close to a ‘socialist’ government in the U.K. was post WW II and that achieved many/most its objectives.  Since the there’s been nothing approaching socialism that justifies your assertion.

The irony is there was a great deal of cross party political consensus on what was required post 1945.

If you are suggesting that socialism is the best of it, how do you reconcile your personal success in the context of a SME?

[scottsdad]

What's the rules on banned posters coming back? Just allowed to carry on as before? 

Seems to be the case here anyway. Not even the slightest difference in posting from his DPB account and his Gringo one. 

[lichtgilphead]

57 minutes ago, Gringo said:

It certainly was compared to what went before.

Do you recall the disastrous Prices and Incomes policy under George Brown?

Socialism in action- total fail.

Do you remember all the strikes - miners, steelworkers, car workers, you name it. How about all the power cuts, candles to light the house. That was certainly no utopia. Thatcher came just at the right time, in fact the nick of time.

For me the 80’s and 90’s were a period of great prosperity. Markets were free, incentives were huge and Britain was a great place to live in.

Can only speak for myself. Maybe your experiences were different. Who knows?

 

Please read my posts properly before responding in future. I told you that I left school during the Thatcher years, so why are you asking about my recollection of early 1960's Labour's economic policies?  I would have been about 4.

I do remember the Steelworkers & Miners strikes of 1980 & 1985 respectively. These were during Thatcher's period in power, so I'm unclear what your point is. 

Using candles during power cuts was a result of the 3 day week, again caused by strikes under a Tory government. We used to go round to my Grans, as her power was on when ours was off. Edward Heath was pm at the time.

All you are doing is demonstrating how shite the UK was (and is) under Tory control.

Edited June 10, 2023 by lichtgilphead
to add "and is"

[carpetmonster]

40 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

What's the rules on banned posters coming back? Just allowed to carry on as before? 

Seems to be the case here anyway. Not even the slightest difference in posting from his DPB account and his Gringo one. 

Div gets kept in hot tub money by his friends and neighbors who’d much rather he was logged in here than annoying them, most likely. 

[GordonD]

3 hours ago, Gringo said:

It certainly was compared to what went before.

Do you recall the disastrous Prices and Incomes policy under George Brown?

Socialism in action- total fail.

Do you remember all the strikes - miners, steelworkers, car workers, you name it. How about all the power cuts, candles to light the house. That was certainly no utopia. Thatcher came just at the right time, in fact the nick of time.

For me the 80’s and 90’s were a period of great prosperity. Markets were free, incentives were huge and Britain was a great place to live in.

Can only speak for myself. Maybe your experiences were different. Who knows?

 

That's obvious.

And the strikes wouldn't have been needed if selfish c***s like you had treated the workers fairly in the first place.

[BFTD]

3 hours ago, scottsdad said:

What's the rules on banned posters coming back? Just allowed to carry on as before? 

Seems to be the case here anyway. Not even the slightest difference in posting from his DPB account and his Gringo one. 

Give the mods a break. They'll swing by again in a few months.

Imagine being a normal person, or a St Mirren fan, and having to scour the Politics board daily  

[Empty It]

15 hours ago, GordonD said:

Are there any?

Getting rid of all the foreigners stealing our jobs and now we have a shortage of people in lower paying jobs because funnily enough the lazy racists never intended on doing these jobs.

[Caledonian1]

18 hours ago, orfc said:

Raise them? The SNP have arranged it so that between 43 and 50K someone pays their 42% higher tax and the 12% NI rate so they lose more than half their money in direct deductions, that's showing those rich millionaire b*****ds who's boss . I already trade in some of my salary for extra holidays because they can't nick half my time off (though I bet they're working on it). If you raise taxes too much people just absolutely topload their pensions (a la Nicola) or go part-time, you don't raise that much more. 

Meanwhile lower down the scale their 19% rate on a whole £2200 of income means most people get a whole 20 pound note and change in their back pocket over a year, huzzah poverty has been defeated! Though it does mean they can trot out their "most people pay less taxes under our progressive blah blah", aye about a takeaway's worth.

Have you any idea how income tax is calculated?

Tax of £13,525.70 (incl NI) is hardly "more than half" of £50,000

https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/estimate-paye-take-home-pay/your-results?csrfToken=36fee55d32991ce9230dd29021da009982be2978-1686464551486-64e68af8007207809bd65bbf

and I have no idea how you calculate that some one on a "whole £2200 of income" gets "a whole 20 pound note" over a year in their back pocket.  Someone on the 19% tax rate will be paying very little income tax.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

1 hour ago, Caledonian1 said:

Have you any idea how income tax is calculated?

Tax of £13,525.70 (incl NI) is hardly "more than half" of £50,000

https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/estimate-paye-take-home-pay/your-results?csrfToken=36fee55d32991ce9230dd29021da009982be2978-1686464551486-64e68af8007207809bd65bbf

and I have no idea how you calculate that some one on a "whole £2200 of income" gets "a whole 20 pound note" over a year in their back pocket.  Someone on the 19% tax rate will be paying very little income tax.

I think he may be confusing it with the marginal tax rate - the tax rate you pay on any additional  income. From my own experience this works out as around 52%.

Edited June 11, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh

[orfc]

2 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

I think he may be confusing it with the marginal tax rate - the tax rate you pay on any additional  income. From my own experience this works out as around 52%.

I wasn't confusing it, I knew what I was talking about, it's stated quite clearly. The respondents on the other hand

[Paco]

Yeah it’s pretty indisputable that if you earn £43,662 and get a payrise to £50,000, about 52% of your nice payrise goes straight back to the taxman. Not sure anybody claimed that means you pay 52% tax overall.  

The Scottish system is too complex and probably also too high at this stage. Farting about for the sake of it. 

[Lurkst]

17 hours ago, scottsdad said:

What's the rules on banned posters coming back? Just allowed to carry on as before? 

Seems to be the case here anyway. Not even the slightest difference in posting from his DPB account and his Gringo one. 

I don't think he's mentioned his wife yet.

 

[BFTD]

43 minutes ago, Lurkst said:

I don't think he's mentioned his awful wife yet.

FTFY

[BFTD]

Seems like there's been a remarkable number of new accounts interested exclusively in the Politics board since the last round of bannings.

Godspeed, admins. It's going to be a long summer 'til the schools start back.

Spoiler

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

6 hours ago, orfc said:

I wasn't confusing it, I knew what I was talking about, it's stated quite clearly. The respondents on the other hand

You don't lose half your pay in deductions - only half of any pay increase.

On a salary of £50k your deductions will be 27%.

In comparison in England the deductions work out as 24%.

 

[orfc]

18 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

You don't lose half your pay in deductions - only half of any pay increase.

On a salary of £50k your deductions will be 27%.

In comparison in England the deductions work out as 24%.

 

I know, because that's what I said in my very first post on the matter

[lichtgilphead]

1 minute ago, orfc said:

I know, because that's what I said in my very first post on the matter

Of course (as you also said) you can put AVC's into your pension pot by means of a salary sacrifice. In this situation, you legally avoid a greater sum in taxation than an English or Welsh taxpayer on an equivalent salary. 

Save more under the Scottish system!