The official Boris pm cluster-fuck thread

[AyrExile]

19 minutes ago, Zern said:

Arrogant p***k resigns from job they were not doing anyway, all over the threat of a suspension.

No actual consequences for Johnson, and awards all around for incompetence and toadying.

Not Dorries though. Not yet anyway.

 

He should have been humble like Margaret Ferrier and continued to cream the wages until all relevant procedures were exhausted 

[Zern]

1 minute ago, AyrExile said:

He should have been humble like Margaret Ferrier and continued to cream the wages until all relevant procedures were exhausted 

Johnson's antics makes Ferrier look almost respectable.

[Michael W]

7 minutes ago, AyrExile said:

He should have been humble like Margaret Ferrier and continued to cream the wages until all relevant procedures were exhausted 

Unlike Ferrier, Johnson can do so knowing there will be hordes of idiots throwing money his way. Guaranteed work from The Telegraph provided it doesn't go bust, as well as people paying him daft money to speak at their dinner party.  

And Johnson doesn't do humble. He's an entitled c**t that thinks he was born to rule. 

[Miguel Sanchez]

3 hours ago, Gringo said:

Looking forward, I think there is a reasonable possibility of a big split in the Conservative Party with the true believers joining forces with Tice, Farage and these folks to form a new right of centre party which, 

All perfectly reasonable, is this a first for a DPB-

3 hours ago, Gringo said:

 after a few years of Labour socialism

-oh.

[Dunfermline Don]

3 hours ago, Gringo said:

Fortunately, Britain is not a natural socialist country.

People much prefer to make their own way in life without the state making all the big decisions.

A safety net for bad times, yes but not an overreaching albatross.

Corbyn didn’t get very far!

I give you the example of my mother-in-law a true blue Tory from Sussexshire.  She thinks Bojo can do no wrong but will also praise Gordon Brown every time she comes to visit us in Fife, as he gave her free bus travel. 
I ask her to list everything that the Tories have given her and I get mumbling about Brexit, vaccines and Fighting Putin. 
 

[AyrExile]

13 minutes ago, Michael W said:

Unlike Ferrier, Johnson can do so knowing there will be hordes of idiots throwing money his way. Guaranteed work from The Telegraph provided it doesn't go bust, as well as people paying him daft money to speak at their dinner party.  

And Johnson doesn't do humble. He's an entitled c**t that thinks he was born to rule. 

Is that not a good thing he is capable enough to earn a wage and pay his way? Are you saying we need to keep Ferrier in a privileged position as many of the supported bridge to employment job schemes have closed down? 

[Trogdor]

Johnson to stand in Dorries seat? Seems unlikely to me.

[Trogdor]

The Tories won't split. They crave absolute power too much. That's what unites the duplicitous b*****ds.

[orfc]

1 hour ago, aDONisSheep said:

It sounds good, but it's not true.  Marginal rates for high earners were set at 50% (now 45%) under Gordon Brown in 2009.  In addition the Personal Income limit has been raised to £100,000 from circa £30k, so middle earners now get to keep their personal allowances (so effectively gaining on the margins).

 

Taxes are a blunt instrument though, we do need to raise them on middle and high income tax payers, but we also need to go after wealth, so establishing levies on wealth and assets (particularly those owned by anonymous offshore entities). 

Raise them? The SNP have arranged it so that between 43 and 50K someone pays their 42% higher tax and the 12% NI rate so they lose more than half their money in direct deductions, that's showing those rich millionaire b*****ds who's boss . I already trade in some of my salary for extra holidays because they can't nick half my time off (though I bet they're working on it). If you raise taxes too much people just absolutely topload their pensions (a la Nicola) or go part-time, you don't raise that much more. 

Meanwhile lower down the scale their 19% rate on a whole £2200 of income means most people get a whole 20 pound note and change in their back pocket over a year, huzzah poverty has been defeated! Though it does mean they can trot out their "most people pay less taxes under our progressive blah blah", aye about a takeaway's worth.

[Michael W]

17 minutes ago, AyrExile said:

Is that not a good thing he is capable enough to earn a wage and pay his way? Are you saying we need to keep Ferrier in a privileged position as many of the supported bridge to employment job schemes have closed down? 

It is neither here nor there. They are a pair arseholes and I frankly wouldn't care less if they were condemned to a life of misery facing their own actions. 

Until such times as we have a quicker method of removing MPs, we are essentially stuck with them until they themselves decide to call it a day. Those that can't afford it, will ride it out until the end. 

[Suspect Device]

12 minutes ago, orfc said:

Raise them? The SNP have arranged it so that between 43 and 50K someone pays their 42% higher tax and the 12% NI rate so they lose more than half their money in direct deductions, that's showing those rich millionaire b*****ds who's boss . I already trade in some of my salary for extra holidays because they can't nick half my time off (though I bet they're working on it). If you raise taxes too much people just absolutely topload their pensions (a la Nicola) or go part-time, you don't raise that much more. 

Meanwhile lower down the scale their 19% rate on a whole £2200 of income means most people get a whole 20 pound note and change in their back pocket over a year, huzzah poverty has been defeated! Though it does mean they can trot out their "most people pay less taxes under our progressive blah blah", aye about a takeaway's worth.

 

That's not more than half your money in tax and NICs. That's 26.9%.

You are worse off than if you were in England by £1,510.90 though. Whether that would make it worth upping sticks for a job down south is debatable. 

 

 

[lichtgilphead]

3 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said:

I think Thatchers Tories look socialist compared to the current mob. 

 

3 hours ago, Gringo said:

Nonsense

Highest taxes on high earners since the 70’s

Taxes and government spending as a higher percentage of GDP since god knows how long.

An ever burgeoning welfare budget.

 

 

Remind me - how exactly did Thatcher's tories raise money without raising taxes?

I seem to remember them selling off all the nationalised industries & spunking all the oll revenues on unemployment benefit.

Unfortunately, you can only do that once. 

In comparison, left-leaning Norway set up an oll fund, and was quite well off last time I looked.

[orfc]

32 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

 

That's not more than half your money in tax and NICs. That's 26.9%.

You are worse off than if you were in England by £1,510.90 though. Whether that would make it worth upping sticks for a job down south is debatable. 

 

It's not all your pay it's the bit if you sneak above 43k, between there and 50k the various governments take most of each pound you make

You're not going to move, you're going to jam that bit into your pension and do other before tax manoeuvres like take extra holiday, so the bit about raising more tax income defeats itself

Edited June 10, 2023 by orfc

[eindhovendee]

Never read The Star but the BBC has all the front pages from today's papers, their's is best.

[doulikefish]

And another some Tory called Nigel Adams said to be a Johnson loyalist has resigned to cause another bye election 

[Gringo]

1 hour ago, lichtgilphead said:

 

Remind me - how exactly did Thatcher's tories raise money without raising taxes?

I seem to remember them selling off all the nationalised industries & spunking all the oll revenues on unemployment benefit.

Unfortunately, you can only do that once. 

In comparison, left-leaning Norway set up an oll fund, and was quite well off last time I looked.

Thatcher reduced the basic rate of tax from 33% to 25% over a period. The marginal top rate of tax when she came in could be as high as 98% for some people and this was reduced to 40%.

They did however increase VAT, albeit modestly.
The country prospered.

[Zern]

20 minutes ago, Gringo said:

Thatcher reduced the basic rate of tax from 33% to 25% over a period. The marginal top rate of tax when she came in could be as high as 98% for some people and this was reduced to 40%.

They did however increase VAT, albeit modestly.
The country prospered.

That might have had something to do with joining the EU.

[welshbairn]

4 minutes ago, Zern said:

That might have had something to do with joining the EU.

And Thatcher pushing the EU into bringing in the Single Market. The current Tories are more keen on petty bureaucracy and red tape rather than freeing up markets and travel.

[Gringo]

1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

And Thatcher pushing the EU into bringing in the Single Market. The current Tories are more keen on petty bureaucracy and red tape rather than freeing up markets and travel.

I can’t argue with that.

we've squandered most of the advantages of Brexit.

[Gringo]

12 minutes ago, Zern said:

That might have had something to do with joining the EU.

We were in the EU long before Thatcher came to power.