Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Big Fifer]

36 minutes ago, scottmcleanscontacts said:

To be honest it's a pure b*****d but you tend to find that people who claim they are going to do this and do that rarely put their money where their mouth is.

It'll be ignored on a micro level, with individual people still visiting family I'd assume and to be honest, whatever.

What it will definitely do though is cut back on massive gatherings in folks hooses. It won't stop them, and we all know that full well but it will be sufficient enough to pad the numbers the way the SG want them.

I'm just pissed off that it's still apparently ok to sit in a pub rammed full of folk but it's not alright to attend an outdoor football match.

This. I think the journalists (or indeed the SFA/SPFL) need to be asking the Scottish government why a pub is fine but an outdoor socially distanced fitba crowd is not, and applying a lot more pressure than they have been. 

[welshbairn]

21 minutes ago, Donathan said:

 

The thing is people will vote with their feet. A small element of people will be out protesting against the restrictions, those are just the same people that have already been out protesting against them and the government knows that. Far more people will commit low level breaches of the restrictions, go round to visit family and friends for dinner or a cuppa etc. Turning that sort of thing into a criminal offense is an absolute disgrace Tbf.

 

Nobody's going to be arrested for visiting a relative or friend for a cuppa. It's this refusal to use basic common sense about the guidelines that really does my fucking head in. It's broad guidance intended to reduce infection, if everyone is sensible and a bit careful that would be brilliant, that's all that's expected. The rules can't possibly cover every single circumstance, they're just to try to get you to reduce transmission of this fucking horrible thing by small efforts of awareness.  

[tamthebam]

1 hour ago, Carl Cort's Hamstring said:

My room in Hillhead was in the f*cking basement! I'd have gone all Jack Torrance after about 3 hours.

My room in the now vanished Dunbar Halls was in the old sickbay so I might have been ok- 2 weeks of nothing to do but read and I might have got a better final mark.

I'm sure some of the rooms in there had orange walls from the 70s (this was the mid 90s).

[Hedgecutter]

34 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Nobody's going to be arrested for visiting a relative or friend for a cuppa. It's this refusal to use basic common sense about the guidelines that really does my fucking head in. It's broad guidance intended to reduce infection, if everyone is sensible and a bit careful that would be brilliant, that's all that's expected.

^^^ Dominic Cummings found

As much as I get your point, the problem with this mentality is that if the whole country adopted it then we'd end up with everybody visiting everybody that they want to, a significant number of which would end up sitting side-by-side with their relatives on the sofa when the eyes of the world aren't watching.  Any acceptance of loose self-interpretation just allows folk to conveniently bend them as far as their desires require, even if they know it's shifty behaviour.  If anything, it would be a free-for-all even worse than what we have just now seeing as people are generally viewing things as 'rules'.  That said, I couldn't tell you which things ares rules, laws and guidelines anymore.

32 minutes ago, tamthebam said:

My room in the now vanished Dunbar Halls was in the old sickbay so I might have been ok- 2 weeks of nothing to do but read and I might have got a better final mark.

I'm sure some of the rooms in there had orange walls from the 70s (this was the mid 90s).

It's HMP Wavell that's affected:

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/aberdeen-university-students-test-positive-for-coronavirus/

Edited September 22, 2020 by Hedgecutter

[scottmcleanscontacts]

This. I think the journalists (or indeed the SFA/SPFL) need to be asking the Scottish government why a pub is fine but an outdoor socially distanced fitba crowd is not, and applying a lot more pressure than they have been. 

I'm not a scientific mind, that much I can contend with, but we have been consistently told that the virus transmission is aided greatly by indoor gatherings.

 

I have never and probably will never understand how a small number of folk couldn't safely attend games in Scotland.

 

Fair enough, for a very small number of clubs this would mean a fair majority of their regulars missing out but for the remainder their regular crowds could pretty much attend and be socially distant.

 

It's a nonsense. And all the toilets, safe entry/exit bullshit that folk spout can be shot down immediately - folk still need to go for a piss when they are at the boozer, do they not?

 

[tamthebam]

5 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:

The most worrying thing about this whole episode is that Philpy has a pal.

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Allegedly.

 

It's Tony.

[welshbairn]

24 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said:

if the whole country adopted it then we'd end up with everybody visiting everybody that they want to, a significant number of which would end up sitting side-by-side with their relatives on the sofa when the eyes of the world aren't watching.  Any acceptance of loose self-interpretation just allows folk to conveniently bend them as far as their desires require.

The problem is people who think the rules only apply to them if they think they might get caught breaking them, which is almost never. Far better most people being grown up about it and trying to do the right thing without getting too pedantic about it.

[Hedgecutter]

2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Far better most people being grown up about it and trying to do the right thing without getting too pedantic about it.

Which will very often be the right thing for them, not the country as a whole.  Although your comment is great in theory, I just see it as being far too unrealistic in a country where messages such as "there's plenty of bog roll if everyone calms the f*** down" results in in-aisle fighting over the last roll of shitter paper in town.

[Dee Man]

Good to see @Todd_is_God's Nepalese cousin taking over the reigns while he's on a much deserved break. 

[Mark Connolly]

29 minutes ago, Dee Man said:

Good to see @Todd_is_God's Nepalese cousin taking over the reigns while he's on a much deserved break. 

I found it interesting

[Melanius Mullarkey]

हालांकि यह एक सार्वजनिक स्वास्थ्य संकट के रूप में है।

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Tbf they're both attention-seeking gobshites. Easily done.

Mallo or Gallagher?

[Jambomo]

7 hours ago, Big Fifer said:

This. I think the journalists (or indeed the SFA/SPFL) need to be asking the Scottish government why a pub is fine but an outdoor socially distanced fitba crowd is not, and applying a lot more pressure than they have been. 

The problem with any large crowd (and the majority of clubs would have a very sizeable crowd for this purpose) is you can’t control them or enforce the social distance rules whilst they move about. 

How do you keep the crowd socially distanced when entering and leaving the stadium, going to the toilets during games etc? It’s fine once your sitting down but people won’t behave properly when moving around (similar to supermarkets where you see people wandering back and forward and chatting with their mates in the aisles etc). 

Pubs where you have table service and fewer numbers are easier to manage from that perspective. Tables and other surfaces are more easily cleaned on a regular basis etc. 

[Bairnardo]

The problem with any large crowd (and the majority of clubs would have a very sizeable crowd for this purpose) is you can’t control them or enforce the social distance rules whilst they move about. 
How do you keep the crowd socially distanced when entering and leaving the stadium, going to the toilets during games etc? It’s fine once your sitting down but people won’t behave properly when moving around (similar to supermarkets where you see people wandering back and forward and chatting with their mates in the aisles etc). 
Pubs where you have table service and fewer numbers are easier to manage from that perspective. Tables and other surfaces are more easily cleaned on a regular basis etc. 

Going into the toilets etc is flashing past someone in a matter of seconds. A contact according to T and P or the app is 15 minutes within 2 metres. There is absolutely no reason why you would reach that level at the football. Passing someone briefly, standing pissing next to them, passing them in their seat.... All of these are very brief encounters that are happening presumably masked up and outdoors.

I honestly dont see why these things are being made into an issue at football.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

8 hours ago, tamthebam said:

My room in the now vanished Dunbar Halls was in the old sickbay so I might have been ok- 2 weeks of nothing to do but read and I might have got a better final mark.

I'm sure some of the rooms in there had orange walls from the 70s (this was the mid 90s).

Don't talk pish you'd have wanked yourself into oblivion like the rest of them will be doing

[madwullie]

That's my MiL been admitted to hospital last night. She was on day 14 of self-isolation having been exposed to a suspected covid case on the 8th/9th when she started to display symptoms. 5 hours later admitted  

[renton]

1 minute ago, Bairnardo said:

Going into the toilets etc is flashing past someone in a matter of seconds. A contact according to T and P or the app is 15 minutes within 2 metres. There is absolutely no reason why you would reach that level at the football. Passing someone briefly, standing pissing next to them, passing them in their seat.... All of these are very brief encounters that are happening presumably masked up and outdoors.

I honestly dont see why these things are being made into an issue at football.

One of the things the Rovers chairman said in a recent interview was that in his discussions with the Dundee United board, the latter had been pleasantly surprised at the uptake in PPV. 

I suppose one of the things the clubs are thinking about is the tip over point at which its economical to open the ground vs. Maintaining the PPV stream. 

[effeffsee_the2nd]

2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Going into the toilets etc is flashing past someone in a matter of seconds. A contact according to T and P or the app is 15 minutes within 2 metres. There is absolutely no reason why you would reach that level at the football. Passing someone briefly, standing pissing next to them, passing them in their seat.... All of these are very brief encounters that are happening presumably masked up and outdoors.

I honestly dont see why these things are being made into an issue at football.

I think the point they're getting at is everyone wants to go for a piss or a pie  at half time which could be problematic to control, especialy as you well know with the amount of crabbit auld c***s that go to games and don't take a telling

[effeffsee_the2nd]

2 minutes ago, renton said:

One of the things the Rovers chairman said in a recent interview was that in his discussions with the Dundee United board, the latter had been pleasantly surprised at the uptake in PPV. 

I suppose one of the things the clubs are thinking about is the tip over point at which its economical to open the ground vs. Maintaining the PPV stream. 

Stenhousemuir getting their camera set up for live streaming , trialied for the friendly against Dunfermline,  we won't be at games this year lads

[Billy Jean King]

While I appreciate the societal importance of education compared to other areas which are facing restrictions, waiting for hard substantive evidence for the driver behind the spread of the virus and not taking action until that evidences emerges gives the virus more time to spread in the meantime; that approach for schools is the exact opposite of the approach we're taking with everything else.
There's also no hard substantive evidence that eg pubs are the driver behind the increase, but that hasn't prevented that already severely under pressure sector being given more hoops to jump through just on the off chance it helps as we need to limit indoor interaction between people from different households as much as possible. Introducing further restrictions in one area to limit that interaction is inconsistent when the places which have the most indoor interaction between households still carry on as normal, despite the opening of those areas perfectly correlating with the increase in cases.

The breakdown by age for daily new infections is best we have. I posted yesterdays there were 11 positives in the 5-15 age group. The next band covers up to 19 but it seems to me schools ain't the driver some assume they are especially given those 11 won't all have caught it at school. Far bigger issue is the ridiculous figure of 75% of those told to self isolate not complying imo. Blended learning would be chaotic for a lot of kids for a whole host of reasons. It looks for now as if both govts seem to be pretty steadfast that schools must remain normal.