Billy Jean King Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 If the SG wanted to support businesses then it should have set funds aside in the budget it just fucking announced to Parliament. If it doesn't have funds to support businesses then it shouldn't have worked alongside public health quangos to sink all business and consumer confidence with hysterical drivel ever since that budget. The problem of funding is largely of their own making. I would agree with that (think some funding was announced last week) but in the circumstances it's worth asking. If you dodn't ask you don't get. I'm sure the actual businesses won't care where the money came from if it materialised. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 What did she say in today’s update? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Businesses are only in the position they are at the moment because NS couldn't keep her mouth shut to try and highlight how reckless the Tories are.Whether she likes it or not, she shouldn't have been telling people to stay away from pubs etc. without having the finances to then support these businesses. For her to now come out and try and blame WM for a situation she's essentially caused is laughable. People are making up their own minds to hunker down now to avoid catching it or isolating on Christmas day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 What did she say in today’s update? Nowt new was PMQs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said: What did she say in today’s update? The three household guidance is now “please stay at home as much as possible”, and that she is meeting with Bojo later this afternoon. Other than that, not much, but it’s not hard to see where this is all heading. Oh, and schools are to remain open so as to allow kids to play board games for a week. Edited December 16, 2021 by Savage Henry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Businesses are only in the position they are at the moment because NS couldn't keep her mouth shut to try and highlight how reckless the Tories are.Whether she likes it or not, she shouldn't have been telling people to stay away from pubs etc. without having the finances to then support these businesses. For her to now come out and try and blame WM for a situation she's essentially caused is laughable. I don’t disagree that Sturgeon was very wrong to do that, but it’s effectively what happened yesterday at Johnson’s briefing too. It’s currently Westminster policy to not support business but ask people to ‘seriously consider’ whether they should be going to them. There is very little between current policies, the only real difference is Johnson hiding behind Whitty to give the bad news rather than fronting it up himself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 6 minutes ago, virginton said: I would agree with that (think some funding was announced last week) but in the circumstances it's worth asking. If you dodn't ask you don't get. I'm sure the actual businesses won't care where the money came from if it materialised. If you're a five year old asking for an ice cream, sure. Not if you're the elected leader of a national government that aspires to independence, that thinks that Someone Else must pay for the faulty logic of their own decision-making. We will be paying for furlough, for fucking decades. It should no longer be considered a free pass for governments to use whenever they want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 People are making up their own minds to hunker down now to avoid catching it or isolating on Christmas day. Catching it was always a risk though. Its no secret that pubs and restaurants got swapped with cancellations off the back of the advice given by NS - advice she clearly knew the consequences of while also knowing she wouldn't be able to support the businesses affected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: she is meeting with Bojo later this afternoon. Other than that, not much, but it’s not hard to see where this is all heading. Yes. With any luck her getting told to ram it and stop causing so much fear in Scotland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Rico Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 We’re at the “Senior SNP MPs quote tweeting Ricky Ross from Deacon Blue” stage of public health messaging now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Catching it was always a risk though. Its no secret that pubs and restaurants got swapped with cancellations off the back of the advice given by NS - advice she clearly knew the consequences of while also knowing she wouldn't be able to support the businesses affected. True but people would have taken that decision themselves anyway in the lead up to Christmas day. There is no way I'm going to a pub etc before Christmas now with a 94yo and a 75yo both with health issues coming on Christmas day. I expect hundreds of thousands will be thinking similar. Add in the isolation rules and it was always going to wind down seriously in the couple of weeks prior as soon as this new strain got a foothold. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Paco said: I don’t disagree that Sturgeon was very wrong to do that, but it’s effectively what happened yesterday at Johnson’s briefing too. It’s currently Westminster policy to not support business but ask people to ‘seriously consider’ whether they should be going to them. There is very little between current policies, the only real difference is Johnson hiding behind Whitty to give the bad news rather than fronting it up himself. This is absolutely right. Government policies north and south of the border are pretty much identical, but the policy deliverance is markedly different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian1 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said: 13 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: People are making up their own minds to hunker down now to avoid catching it or isolating on Christmas day. Catching it was always a risk though. Its no secret that pubs and restaurants got swapped with cancellations off the back of the advice given by NS - advice she clearly knew the consequences of while also knowing she wouldn't be able to support the businesses affected. pretty much the same advice given by Whitty in England though isnt it. Covid: People urged to socialise carefully as cases hit new record - BBC News 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Since we are back to worrying (well some people are) about case numbers again surely closing schools would massively reduce the number of infections and maybe help everyone calm the f**k down? Famous last words but if the infections are as high as they claim then surely this will burn out in a few weeks? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said: 15 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: People are making up their own minds to hunker down now to avoid catching it or isolating on Christmas day. Catching it was always a risk though. Its no secret that pubs and restaurants got swapped with cancellations off the back of the advice given by NS - advice she clearly knew the consequences of while also knowing she wouldn't be able to support the businesses affected. It’s not just the risk of catching it though. The change to the isolation “advice” has spooked a lot of people now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Just now, Savage Henry said: This is absolutely right. Government policies north and south of the border are pretty much identical, but the policy deliverance is markedly different. Yup, because they are getting the same recommendations from the same civil servants. If Sturgeon is shiting her breeks, its only because Whitty, SAGE, the UKSHA and the NHS are collectively shiting theirs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 minute ago, renton said: Yup, because they are getting the same recommendations from the same civil servants. If Sturgeon is shiting her breeks, its only because Whitty, SAGE, the UKSHA and the NHS are collectively shiting theirs. Such as that may be, considerations are and have to be much wider than they were even this time last year. Politicians have been open in saying they have to consider the mental health aspect of stopping human contact and the effect school closures have on safe guarding of children. It’s not as black and white as Sage or the like may see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Since we are back to worrying (well some people are) about case numbers again surely closing schools would massively reduce the number of infections and maybe help everyone calm the f**k down? Famous last words but if the infections are as high as they claim then surely this will burn out in a few weeks?Witty actually said as much to MPs this morning. A very steep, sharp rise to a fairly quick peak but for some reason they think they will be slow to fall back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said: Witty actually said as much to MPs this morning. A very steep, sharp rise to a fairly quick peak but for some reason they think they will be slow to fall back. So an NHS properly funded, with enough capacity would cope. I wonder what lesson can be learned here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 15 hours ago, red23 said: So im curious, any chance we can have a poll so we can see how "bad" it really is? are some of us just ignorant? It would be: Do you know someone who has directly died from covid Do you know someone who has become seriously ill from covid Neither of above. 3. I'm a month past testing positive and still not back to 100%. I had proper flu 10 years or so ago and it wasn't as bad as that but it has been a fairly grim 3 weeks or so. Mornings are still fairly poor, Its taking an age to get going, like cold-starting a 50 year old Massey Ferguson. I don't know where the time goes but I'm now running two hours behind my usual schedule - it's gone 10am most days before I'm even thinking about work. Mrs a-p has just had her booster and flu jab and it knocked her sideways for a couple of days. I'm thinking my body is still hoaching with antibodies, so I don't think I'll bother... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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