The SPFL vote vote

[Dons_1988]

1 minute ago, Savage Henry said:

 

Narrator: almost all of them was the correct answer.

 

Really? Almost all businesses are prepared for being told they effectively can't trade for 6 months?

[Munoz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52472020

[vikingTON]

4 hours ago, Dons_1988 said:

How many businesses do you know that are prepared for satisfying their financial commitments over a period of months when their revenue & cash inflows have unexpectedly stopped?

 

Like most other businesses right now Scottish football clubs can draw on business insurance and extensive government support measures (most importantly furlough as well as tax/rates relief) to get through this, so your starting premise is utter bollocks.

[Bohemian]

15 minutes ago, Munoz said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52472020

I'll copy and paste it for you mate, certain posters from a certain club/company get a bit tetchy if you only post the link..

SPFL: Dundee not offered 'sweetener' over vote - Murdoch MacLennan

Dundee were not offered any "sweetener" to change their vote over ending the lower-league season, insists SPFL chairman Murdoch MacLennan.

MacLennan also said "care should be taken to consider" Rangers' motives after they succeeded in calling an EGM to ask clubs for an investigation into the league's handling of the ballot.

A league-commissioned probe surrounding Dundee's vote found no evidence of improper behaviour, but was dismissed by Rangers as "alarmingly failing to examine wider fundamental issues".

After Dundee reversed their no vote, the lower leagues were called, giving the SPFL the power to end the Premiership early on the same points-per-game basis.

In a lengthy Q&A, stretching to almost 3,500 words, MacLennan also said that:

• Issuing loans to multiple clubs was "unrealistic"
• The SPFL should not have placed a Friday 17:00 BST deadline on ballot responses
• They would have been "accused of unwarranted secrecy" had they not declared the votes that evening
• They were "fully entitled, and can hardly be criticised, for accepting the view of the overwhelming majority"
• Many calls were made, to many clubs, between the vote being called and Dundee's final submission but that is "entirely normal practice" and that he sees "nothing wrong whatsoever" with board members lobbying clubs
• The SPFL should have "expressed concern and regret" for the relegated Partick Thistle and Stranraer

Edited April 29, 2020 by Bohemian

[Derry Alli]

That's some length statement, that.

Looks to me as if wee Murdo is a bit tetchy and trying o cove something up.

Edited April 29, 2020 by Dele
Autocorrect keeps changing Murdo to Muno.

[jagfox]

Spoiler

SPFL chairman Murdoch MacLennan has released a Q&A to "address various accusations" made since the decision to vote on ending the lower-league season.

Here is that document in full...

Rangers say there was "bullying and coercion" towards clubs to get them to vote yes

I have been provided with no evidence whatsoever that any club has been bullied or coerced.

The SPFL Board is here to enact the will of the clubs - and since 81% of you voted in favour of the directors written resolution, you have given a clear endorsement of the Board's position. The silent majority have overwhelmingly carried the day. Other people may be more vocal, but care should be taken to consider their motives.

If Rangers or any other club genuinely believes that it has been bullied by any member of the SPFL team, it has a duty to report that to me, as Chairman of the Board of the SPFL. I will then investigate any such allegations fully and thoroughly.

In the absence of any such report, those alleging "bullying and coercion" risk bringing the game into disrepute and sowing further unnecessary division.

Why couldn't loans be paid instead?

The suggestion of issuing loans is a red herring. Loans have been made by the League to individual Members in the past, but not for many years - and only where the Board was able to satisfy itself that making a loan was in the best interests of the League as a whole.

The last loan made by the SPL was more than seven years ago, in unique circumstances to a single Member, secured against a personal guarantee given by a wealthy supporter.

Previously, a loan had been made to Gretna (in administration), to enable it to complete its SPL fixtures at the end of a Season. The club was ultimately liquidated; the loan was never fully repaid; and all of the other clubs lost fee payments as a result. This demonstrates the fundamental problems with loans to clubs.

It is difficult to see how the making of loans to multiple clubs could have been authorised legitimately by the Board while fulfilling simultaneously their duties as Directors to the Company. In the current, extremely challenging circumstance with clubs facing huge financial difficulties, lending money to potentially every senior club in the country was never a realistic or timely solution. Each club seeking a loan would need to be subject to a due diligence examination of its ability to repay, the viability of whatever security was being offered, and what interest should be sought based on each club's individual profile.

That is why the only realistic, timely way of getting money out to clubs was as fee payments, based on clubs' end of Season entitlements and which did not depend on future performance or ability to repay, which is what the directors written resolution achieved.

Did the SPFL "obstruct [the Rangers] resolution" as has been claimed?

No. The SPFL Board had independent legal advice from a QC that the Rangers resolution (on loans) was not effective, and if the Board agreed with that advice, then it should not be circulated to clubs. Company Law requires that the Board should not circulate a members written resolution where the Board considers that it will be "ineffective". This is not something about which the Board has any discretion.

Was enough information made available to clubs?

The Board had to read through literally hundreds of pages of information in the weeks before the resolution and accompanying briefing notes were sent to clubs. It would not have been appropriate to send this excessive information to clubs. Instead a summary document, 15 pages long, was sent to clubs, containing all key information. I am entirely satisfied that clubs received sufficient information to enable them to make an informed decision on the directors written resolution.

In the ordinary course of events, we would have called an Extraordinary General Meeting at Hampden Park for all clubs to debate the resolution and vote on a show of hands. However, with the lockdown in place, the Board did not have this option available and instead used a directors written resolution procedure.

This allowed clubs up to 28 days to indicate their agreement with the resolution. In retrospect, perhaps we should not have urged clubs to get their responses to us by Good Friday, but instead have asked for responses by a date during the following week. It would clearly not have been appropriate, in view of the urgency of the circumstances for many clubs, to have waited the full 28 days for responses.

We should also bear in mind, that, by the time the resolution was circulated to Members, it had been almost four weeks since the suspension of all football in Scotland. Many lower league clubs were crying out for clarity, an end to the season and payment of fees. Had we waited much longer, the Board judged that clubs would face a financial crisis and start to go under.

As a result of all the above, the SPFL Board took the view that a line needed to be drawn under the Ladbrokes Championship, League 1 and League 2. The legal briefing note discussed the hugely damaging consequences of attempting to 'void' the season and set out a range of options for determining final league placings. The view of the Board was that 'points per game' was the fairest way of ranking clubs when clubs had played different numbers of matches.

There is always a balance to be struck between giving clubs enough detail, but not overloading them with excessive information. I am comfortable that an appropriate balance was struck, which gave all clubs sufficient detail to make an informed decision on the resolution.

Very few clubs have expressed the view that insufficient information was provided. There is no mechanism in a directors written resolution procedure for there to be alternative resolutions proposed. Members either agree with a resolution put to each of them or they do not, and although Members were asked to state a position by 5pm on the Friday, every club was told in writing that it could, if it wished, take the full 28 days in which to respond to agree or otherwise.

How did the events of Good Friday unfold? What was the timeline of how the SPFL came to understand how clubs would be returning?

At the time of the 5pm Board meeting on Good Friday, the SPFL had received 38 returns from clubs. One further return came in during the meeting, which meant that the following returns had been received:

Ladbrokes Premiership: 10 in favour, 1 against (one outstanding)

Ladbrokes Championship: 7 in favour, 2 against (one outstanding)

Ladbrokes League 1 & League 2: 16 in favour, 3 against (one outstanding)

This meant that the one outstanding Ladbrokes Championship return was key to the adoption or rejection of the resolution.

Only later that night did it transpire that Dundee FC had attempted to submit a 'reject' return at 4.48pm. It was stopped in an email quarantine system operated by an IT company used by the SPFL through the Scottish FA to run the SPFL's email systems. It was only at 8.55pm that day that the Dundee FC return was released from quarantine and received by Iain Blair. In the meantime, at 6pm, the Dundee FC club secretary had sent a text to Iain Blair saying: "Iain I understand John [Nelms] has spoken to Neil [Doncaster]. Please do not consider our vote as cast, at the present time."

Eventually, on 15 April, Dundee FC submitted a return in favour of the resolution.

The above events from 10 to 15 April have been confirmed by Deloitte's independent investigation, which found no evidence of any improper behaviour or impropriety by any member of SPFL staff in connection with the Dundee FC return.

The legal advice we received was that Dundee FC were entitled to change their mind and to submit a second return in favour of the resolution and that the SPFL Board should accept that as a valid return.

Clearly, nobody knows how clubs are going to vote until they actually vote. All we could do was present the facts and enable the clubs to make up their own minds.

It's clear that some clubs were discussing matters amongst themselves and that is entirely their prerogative, but where we ended up was an overwhelming vote in favour of ending the Season immediately in the lower three Divisions, which enabled us to give the clubs the fee payments to which they were entitled and so desperately needed. It is easy to forget that reality when a small minority of clubs are complaining vocally and grabbing the headlines.

The Board's decision, consistent with the QC's advice it had received, was to proceed on the basis of Dundee FC's clearly expressed agreement with the resolution and the overwhelming agreement of all three voting sections. A small minority of clubs may have wanted a different outcome, but the Board was fully entitled, and can hardly be criticised, for accepting the view of the overwhelming majority in favour of acceptance.

Why did the SPFL publish the vote results shortly after 5pm on the Friday when not every club had voted?

As set out above, Iain Blair reported to the Board at its 5pm meeting the 39 votes that had been received. It was clear to the Board at that point that the outstanding return from Dundee FC was key to the adoption or rejection of the resolution.

Imagine the furore if we'd refused to give any update on how voting had gone. I know that the League's PR team received numerous calls from journalists in the minutes after 5pm, desperate for an update on the voting. If we hadn't published those numbers we would have been accused of unwarranted secrecy. We were simply being open and transparent. The only alternative, not knowing when Dundee FC would return, would have been to tell everyone, all 42 clubs and the media included, that there would be nothing said until all 42 had returned or the 28 days had expired. Given the urgency of the situation for some clubs and that we did not know when the outstanding three returns would, if ever, be made, the Board judged silence to be untenable.

At no point in the SPFL's press releases, did the SPFL suggest it was Dundee FC who hadn't yet submitted a return.

There is no prohibition in the Articles of the SPFL, or in Company Law, on the Board of a company providing information on returns made to date and the terms of such returns, during the 28 day returns period. The Board was, after all, reporting on the returns to date on its directors written resolution.

Dundee FC's about-turn took everyone by surprise and the events that followed made them king-makers. Did you or any Board members speak to John Nelms before 5pm on Friday? Did you or any Board members speak to him over the weekend or up until the moment Dundee FC's final return was made?

We spoke to all 42 clubs by video conference on the day the resolution was sent out. Subsequently, many calls were made between the SPFL Chief Executive and clubs, and between clubs themselves at all levels of the game, between Wednesday 8 April and Wednesday 15 April, when Dundee FC finally submitted their return to adopt the resolution. This is entirely normal practice and mirrored previous important votes that the SPFL (and SPL before it) has held. The vote on the merger of the leagues in 2013 was such an example.

There are always robust discussions between clubs on important and controversial matters - you'll remember Stewart Milne of Aberdeen and Stewart Gilmour of St Mirren having a very public falling out about one league reconstruction vote.

Did the SPFL offer Dundee anything as a sweetener to get this resolution over the line? It is being said that reconstruction is only being discussed now because Dundee FC got the Board to commit to it.

No, the restructuring process that is happening now is precisely the one that the Board had committed to in the legal briefing document sent out to Members with the directors written resolution on 8 April.

A number of clubs wanted commitments that went beyond those set out in the legal briefing document sent to all Members. But at no stage was any additional commitment or 'sweetener' given to any club before it voted.

The Board were accused of presenting only one option to member clubs and suggested that the linking of fee payments to the curtailment of the season unduly influenced the decision-making process. Do you accept that?

I accept that the resolution was the only realistic option available. It is revealing that, other than the deeply flawed suggestion about issuing loans, no-one has come forward with any alternative plan in the three weeks since the resolution was sent out to clubs.

The suggestion that there was a link between fee payments being made and the League placings being finalised is correct. That is because the basis for fee payments to clubs is set out in the SPFL's Articles and is entirely based on League placings. To suggest that this was the SPFL Board creating "undue influence" is therefore entirely wide of the mark. All Members have either received or will, subject to any changes in circumstances, receive the fee payment to which each is entitled in terms of the Articles.

The Board was acting in the best interests of Scottish football as a whole. We took detailed legal advice, which will absolutely stand up to scrutiny, and acted consistently with that advice on all occasions. When we as a Board receive criticism for our actions and decisions, some consideration must be given to the motives underlying that criticism coming from specific clubs. Although completely unfounded, this response is perhaps understandable considering what is at stake. However, we as a Board have to act in the best interests of the Company and the entire League, and that is what I believe we have done.

Should Board members be pursuing clubs to lobby them in favour of the resolution? Should it not be left to the clubs to decide independently?

You would be amazed at the number of clubs who contacted Board members to seek guidance and clarification on the situation prior to the returns being made and that's entirely appropriate. I see nothing wrong whatsoever with Board members seeking to persuade clubs to "adopt" a resolution that the vast majority of Board members consider to be in the best interests of the League as a whole.

I know that Board members spoke with a variety of clubs and explained the facts to them. However, it was entirely up to them to make the final decision, and personally I have no doubt they made the correct one in the interests of the Company and League as a whole.

Partick Thistle spoke of this decision causing "significant damage to Thistle and others". If reconstruction doesn't happen, what then? Because it will inevitably lead to financial problems and job losses for relegated clubs.

We have to remember that the league is a sporting competition. Each year we have promotion and championship wins for successful clubs, and regrettably relegation for the unsuccessful. In these unique circumstances, where remaining fixtures simply cannot be played, a solution needed to be found to draw a line under the season and to make final fee payments to clubs.

That is what the directors written resolution achieved.

What would have caused major damage, not only to Partick Thistle, but to clubs the length and breadth of the country, would have been to 'kick the can down the road', deny the funds to clubs that were literally on their knees and watch possibly dozens of them going to the wall.

This was an impossible situation not of our making and it is extremely disappointing to witness clubs with a very specific agenda criticising us for acting in the best interests of the game as a whole.

What other options did the Board look at? What other ways were explored to get cash in the pockets of clubs now?

There were simply no other viable options. We've already talked about loans. It is clear, that in the absence of any suggested alternative ways of providing money to clubs, no other practical and realistic way exists.

Did the Board get "in too deep" here and put themselves in so much of a corner they felt they had to stick by the resolution and try and get it through?

No, the Board took extensive legal advice from a QC and put forward a resolution that curtailed the Ladbrokes Championship, League 1 and League 2, to get fee payments out to clubs immediately, and allowed for a decision to be made later in respect of the Ladbrokes Premiership.

No-one else has come up with any alternative plan.

Can you in good conscience say that this is 100% the best way for Scottish football?

We acted firmly in the best interests of all member clubs. We had many sleepless nights, many long discussions, and endured considerable stress on how to find a solution that protected clubs and jobs as much as possible - all of this in a period of unprecedented uncertainty over when the industry can get back to work.

In the weeks and months to come when all this is over, I've no doubt that people will see we did the right thing at the right time for the right reasons.

The Board largely consists of club representatives. Were Board members able to leave their own situations at the door when it came to discussing how to move forward?

The SPFL Board is there to look after the best interests of the game as a whole. That's our duty and I firmly believe we have fulfilled it to the letter. While journalists, pundits and those who voted to reject the resolution have the luxury of criticism without responsibility, the SPFL Board has a duty to act.

I am firmly convinced that the SPFL Board acted in the best interests of clubs overall.

Looking back, what would you have done differently?

In relation to the Dundee FC return, there was little, if anything, that we could have done differently. The situation was not of our making and Dundee FC are fully entitled to have a change of heart from reject to accept.

However, with the benefit of hindsight, we probably should have given clubs a few more days to respond to the directors written resolution. Also, in the press release issued on 15 April following approval of the resolution, we should have expressed concern and regret to Partick Thistle and Stranraer, who were sadly relegated by the resolution. That is one of the reasons why Neil Doncaster spoke to Jacqui Low and Iain Dougan the following day.

In summary, and as I hope I have now explained in detail, the resolution represented the only feasible way of drawing a line under Season 2019/20 in the lower Divisions and allowing substantial fee payments to be made to clubs, an action underlined by its overwhelming support from clubs in all Divisions.

The full Q&A.

[Dons_1988]

17 minutes ago, virginton said:

Like most other businesses right now Scottish football clubs can draw on business insurance and extensive government support measures (most importantly furlough as well as tax/rates relief) to get through this, so your starting premise is utter bollocks.

Hmm the furlough scheme that only currently goes to June, and I hadn't realised all insurance companies were paying out/have paid out on this situation.

Starting premise of 'can't trade presents significant financial challenges for any business' is utter bollocks 

Sometimes you need to tone it down, pace yourself.

 

[Cowden Cowboy]

26 minutes ago, Dele said:

That's some length statement, that.

Looks to me as if wee Murdo is a bit tetchy and trying o cove something up.

Well if he didn’t put out a lengthy statement addressing the various points doubtless there would be claims that they were hiding things and not addressing key issues!  Time for Rangers to give all 42 clubs what ever it is they have now - delaying for some vague sort of tactical reason isn’t helpful to getting clubs onside 

Edited April 29, 2020 by Cowden Cowboy

[Doctor Manhattan]

34 minutes ago, Bohemian said:

...certain posters from a certain club/company get a bit tetchy if you only post the link..

[GordonD]

45 minutes ago, Bohemian said:

They were "fully entitled, and can hardly be criticised, for accepting the view of the overwhelming majority"

How is it an 'overwhelming majority' if Dundee's flip-flop vote was the deciding factor in the end?

It's like 38% of the country voting to leave the EU and then claiming most people wanted it.

[gannonball]

2 minutes ago, GordonD said:

How is it an 'overwhelming majority' if Dundee's flip-flop vote was the deciding factor in the end?

It's like 38% of the country voting to leave the EU and then claiming most people wanted it.

Because the result required an overwhelming majority (75%).

[Romeo]

How is it an 'overwhelming majority' if Dundee's flip-flop vote was the deciding factor in the end?
It's like 38% of the country voting to leave the EU and then claiming most people wanted it.

Really?

[rainbowrising]

14 minutes ago, GordonD said:

How is it an 'overwhelming majority' if Dundee's flip-flop vote was the deciding factor in the end?

It's like 38% of the country voting to leave the EU and then claiming most people wanted 

Hmmm  all clubs voted on a single resolution that required a big majority to carry? Just a crazy guess by me though.

[gannonball]

I can see their evidence being similar to this absolute beauty from a disgruntled orc a  few years back, initially of which i thought was a wind up...
 

[Bohemian]

19 minutes ago, GordonD said:

How is it an 'overwhelming majority' if Dundee's flip-flop vote was the deciding factor in the end?

It's like 38% of the country voting to leave the EU and then claiming most people wanted it.

Just to be clear I didnt say that..

[vikingTON]

56 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

Hmm the furlough scheme that only currently goes to June

It's April m8 - so that's two full months of guaranteed cover still remaining (>50% of the entire furlough period), which takes clubs straight through to the point where their players are out of contract and season books could go up for sale for next season. If that can't happen then we'll see whether additional support is in place, but the fact remains that your claim that clubs have been cut adrift for months already is utter nonsense.

Thanks for playing anyway.

[Dons_1988]

15 minutes ago, virginton said:

It's April m8 - so that's two full months of guaranteed cover still remaining (>50% of the entire furlough period), which takes clubs straight through to the point where their players are out of contract and season books could go up for sale for next season. If that can't happen then we'll see whether additional support is in place, but the fact remains that your claim that clubs have been cut adrift for months already is utter nonsense.

Thanks for playing anyway.

- no response on insurance

- not every club has enough players out of contract in June to see a significant benefit

- Clubs need to be looking beyond June now, not get to June and 'we'll see what support we might get'

- ST sales will be well down even if they can sell them until we know what's happening

- no sponsorship yet for a league season that we don't know when or in what format it'll be

All massive issues for any club.

I didn't say clubs had been cut adrift for months already, you're twisting that because you don't like actually debating anything, just any excuse to bring out your catchphrases. I was responding to your suggestion that any club that dips into administration during this has been financially mismanaged.  

Angry wee boy.

[vikingTON]

23 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

- not every club has enough players out of contract in June to see a significant benefit

Bollocks yet again - the vast majority of the 42 SPFL clubs have few if any players contracted beyond June 30 and so have by far their largest cost under control for the duration of the crisis. Most SPFL clubs also do not rely on a flood of ST sales before June 30 to provide cashflow and as for sponsorship, the new TV deal actually compensates for this already. 

You need to stop assuming that all of Scottish football is run like a certain club in the north east that unwisely handed out long-term deals on large wages and so is struggling to keep the lights on right now.

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I was responding to your suggestion that any club that dips into administration during this has been financially mismanaged.  

Well yes it has: any well managed business has a combination of i) cash reserves ii) little outstanding debt (hence good credit) and iii) a resilient and varied business model to deal with the challenges of a short term shock. Saint Johnstone, for example, are highly unlikely to be tipped into administration for these exact reasons: indeed, their McDairmid Park crematorium service might end up doing a roaring trade though 2021.

Given the extensive government support already set out, the only clubs who are likely to go into administration - 'dip' being an utterly ridiculous description for cheating your creditors - will be those who were already sailing far too close to the wind before the storm struck. That description also applies to my own club, although it's probably only in the second tier of potential casualties.

 

[bennett]

virginton being a fanny shocker. 

[vikingTON]

Bennett in 'being a moron with nothing to contribute' revelation.