League Reconstruction 20/21 season

[Sheep62]

1 hour ago, D.A.F.C said:

Clubs voting for colts is chucking their youth policy and scotlands national game in the bin for a few pennies.
It's already been proven that teams will wipe the floor with them in the challenge cup.
As stated they ruin hundreds of youth players careers every season. Every team can think of at least one player who moved there and disappeared when they were at a very promising part of their career. This will just allow them to strip teams of any young talent and then hoover up anyone decent to rot on their bench.
Look at Lewis Morgan, total waste.

I'll see your Lewis Morgan and raise you 2018-19 PFA Scotland Young Player of The Year nominee Jake Hastie

[Coventry Saint]

31 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said:

 

Even ignoring their top league in 16 years working down south I’ve never heard any fans of English League 1 or 2 teams crying about meaningless games and wanting smaller divisions 24 teams in that division. The reality is playing each team 4 times a season is utterly shite but the top division smaller clubs are too reliant on away gates from the Ugly Sisters.

 

Those huge English leagues are actually remarkably tight and competitive. A large number of teams often end up with a chance of promotion, playoffs or relegation. Any team that sticks a few wins together can climb a few places, then lose a couple and they plummet again. That's why there are rarely complaints and few dead rubbers.

Of course, those leagues are rarely skewed by the same two dominant teams year after year, which helps.

[BFTD]

On 07/06/2020 at 23:03, IrishBhoy said:

Jake Hastie from Motherwell is a recent one that springs to mind, I have no doubt he would be advancing more as a footballer had he stayed where he was.

 

5 minutes ago, Sheep62 said:

I'll see your Lewis Morgan and raise you 2018-19 PFA Scotland Young Player of The Year nominee Jake Hastie

A real waste. The big European clubs would've been sniffing around by now if he'd only stayed at the Recs.

[bluearmyfaction]

12 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said:

Those huge English leagues are actually remarkably tight and competitive. A large number of teams often end up with a chance of promotion, playoffs or relegation. Any team that sticks a few wins together can climb a few places, then lose a couple and they plummet again. That's why there are rarely complaints and few dead rubbers.

Of course, those leagues are rarely skewed by the same two dominant teams year after year, which helps.

The thing is, it makes a season of fighting for promotion/dodging relegation something serious and exciting, rather than something that happens every season (albeit as a Blues fan a relegation struggle is close to an annual thing).  When everything is special, nothing is special.

[DukDukGoose]

19 hours ago, virginton said:

La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, Ligue Un, Eredivisie and the Premier League must all be shite and unentertaining leagues by your idiotic theory. 

How many European and relegation spots are there in each league?

[JamesM82]

EFL teams are voting today on how to end the season if they can't play all the games. This is highly likely in L1 or L2, as they are only expecting to play the playoff matches at those levels. Championship (which is one of the richest leagues in Europe) is resuming the weekend after next, but this would also apply to them if anything goes wrong.

BBC says they expect all the amendments tabled by clubs out of self-interest (e.g. cancelling relegation, or tweaking the PPG formula) to fail, and that relegation and promotion places will just be decided on simple points average. Sounds familiar. Championship teams don't want to scrap relegation from the EFL divisions in case the EPL does something similar.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52971628

Edited June 9, 2020 by JamesM82

[DumbartonBud]

2 hours ago, D.A.F.C said:

Look at Lewis Morgan, total waste.

He was actually dumped by Rangers as a youth before he could get near a Colts team, taken on and developed by St Mirren before being taken by Celtic and left on the bench. 
 

An ideal example of why kids shouldn’t be near the OF. 

[wastecoatwilly]

3 hours ago, Green Day said:

Because in many cases, per my story above, young players and/or their families get so annoyed with the situation with Celtic or Rangers that they move while still young.

That doesnt mean that Celtic or Rangers cant or wont pay for that player several years later.

Mince,you can't say Celtic haven't done a great job in providing players for the national team or playing at a good level.
Ralston,2 Hendersons,Tierney,McGregor,Forrest,Johnston plus the ones that improved at Celtic Brown,Armstrong,Griffiths Christie hopefully Taylor. then you have the players that didn't quite make the grade Morgan and Allan.

[RandomGuy.]

50 minutes ago, BigFatTabbyDave said:

 

A real waste. The big European clubs would've been sniffing around by now if he'd only stayed at the Recs.

He'd been found out before he even left Motherwell. 

[Arch Stanton]

1 hour ago, San Starko Rover said:

 but the top division smaller clubs are too reliant on away gates from the Ugly Sisters.

 

If you're including St. Mirren as one of the smaller clubs then no, we're not.

[cmontheloknow]

14 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

Mince,you can't say Celtic haven't done a great job in providing players for the national team or playing at a good level.
Ralston,2 Hendersons,Tierney,McGregor,Forrest,Johnston plus the ones that improved at Celtic Brown,Armstrong,Griffiths Christie hopefully Taylor. then you have the players that didn't quite make the grade Morgan and Allan.

How many of those are Celtic youth products (not all) and how many would have got capped played for a non OF team (not all). 

[tree house tam]

1 hour ago, San Starko Rover said:

The reality is playing each team 4 times a season is utterly shite but the top division smaller clubs are too reliant on away gates from the Ugly Sisters.

 

If it's a choice between playing Celtic or The Rangers for a third/fourth time, which is a real test for our side even with the inevitable humpings and their atrocious bigoted fans, or playing against piss poor sides like Arbroath or Morton, I know which one I prefer.

[Frank Grimes]

If this rumbles onto next week then FFS

Get it kicked into touch ASAP so we can at least look towards the status quo for 20/21

By all means look at reconstruction for 21/22 onwards but it’s too fucking late for next season

Move on 

[AndyDD]

I could be well of the mark here but it's looking increasingly likely that the top flight will be able to start again in August. 

Despite being in favour of a structural revamp and probably prefer a 14-14-14 or a 12-12-10-10 to what we have now, the reality appears to be that the lower leagues won't be starting for a while yet. 

I think we're going to need to press ahead, at this stage, with setting the top flight off as a 12 in August and concentrate on getting the other divisions operational as early as we can. I don't think at this stage in proceedings that any restructure has a realistic prospect of going through. I also feel that whilst Hearts maybe could be ready to go again, I am not convinced ICT would be fairly treated by being told, in June or July, to prepare themselves for a stint in the top flight. Yes they would get the financial boost, but one expects they would be greatly disadvantaged and I fear a really compromised competition there if they were club 14 with such a quick turn around. 

That might be unfair on ICT, but based on the final table, there doesn't appear to be much between them and the teams who would have been their prospective playoff rivals. 

At this point, I think status quo will and probably just about should prevail. The bigger fight is this colts thing, which the old firm seem to be preparing the ground for. They likely know they can't get it across the line for the start of this impending season, but watch them try and push it throughout as a long term solution, either season 2021/2022 or the one after. 

Their opportunistic, lip licking manoeuvre is typical of their natural cabal, and one that will need vigilant and concerted opposition to combat.  

Edited June 9, 2020 by AndyDD

[Yorky]

24 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

He'd been found out before he even left Motherwell. 

He was a bit of a one trick pony, cut inside and shoot and yes other teams soon learned if you stopped him doing that he was less effective. However if he had stayed  at Motherwell he would have been given the chance to develop his game. As soon as he left for Rangers we all knew the writing was on the wall, he will end up playing lower league football up here within a couple of years.

[GordonD]

9 minutes ago, Yorky said:

He was a bit of a one trick pony, cut inside and shoot and yes other teams soon learned if you stopped him doing that he was less effective. However if he had stayed  at Motherwell he would have been given the chance to develop his game. As soon as he left for Rangers we all knew the writing was on the wall, he will end up playing lower league football up here within a couple of years.

And what if he leaves Rangers?

[vikingTON]

1 hour ago, Coventry Saint said:

Those huge English leagues are actually remarkably tight and competitive. A large number of teams often end up with a chance of promotion, playoffs or relegation. Any team that sticks a few wins together can climb a few places, then lose a couple and they plummet again. That's why there are rarely complaints and few dead rubbers.

Of course, those leagues are rarely skewed by the same two dominant teams year after year, which helps.

That's only sometimes the case and even when it happens there are still always teams with 'nothing to play for' in the last ten games of the season. Here's League Two this season as an example:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/league-two/table

There was indeed a big promotion race at the top but next to nothing going on at the bottom, so if you're Oldham or Carlisle then you had nothing to play for when the season stopped in March. The same is true to a lesser extent in League One, if you're Blackpool or Bristol Rovers then there's absolutely no point in restarting this league:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/league-one/table

The only country where we hear constant gnashing of teeth against the idea of clubs ever being comfortably in midtable and not having a decisive game every single week is in Scotland, an attitude that has contributed so much to our stunningly high standard of football and such well-run and stable businesses across the four national leagues.

[BFTD]

22 minutes ago, Yorky said:

He was a bit of a one trick pony, cut inside and shoot and yes other teams soon learned if you stopped him doing that he was less effective. However if he had stayed  at Motherwell he would have been given the chance to develop his game. As soon as he left for Rangers we all knew the writing was on the wall, he will end up playing lower league football up here within a couple of years.

Sooner he's back with us the better, from the sound of it!

[wastecoatwilly]

25 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

How many of those are Celtic youth products (not all) and how many would have got capped played for a non OF team (not all). 

The first 7 are Celtic youth but who cares it doesn't matter who is paying their wages it's all about producing more talent.
I'm glad John McGinn didn't sign for Celtic it was better for the national team even thou he could've been a replacement for Brown.
Motherwell fans didn't want Turnbull to sign for Celtic why because he would be competing against Christie and McGregor  

[Zing.]

Few Hearts fans still adamant that the SPFL will be forcing through a reconstruction of the leagues whether the clubs want it or not. Looking forward to seeing how that one plays out.