Brother Blades Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Loving all the "need to have an open debate", "give people a chance to share their views" takes, almost exclusively from people who either can't or won't actually explain what their problem with the legislation is in the first place. A bill that took over 5 years from first being introduced to parliament to being passed, with two separate public consultations, both of which received more positive responses than negative. A bill which was a manifesto commitment for 129 of the 129 MSPs elected in the 2016 Parliament and 98 of the 129 MSPs elected in 2021. How many opportunities to talk about it are needed? How many times do the blatant lies being told about it need to be debunked? Yeah there was some woman on TV this morning saying that not only had women’s groups not been consulted, but that they were all against it! I’m pretty sure Women’s Aid Scotland amongst others are in favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Loving all the "need to have an open debate", "give people a chance to share their views" takes, almost exclusively from people who either can't or won't actually explain what their problem with the legislation is in the first place. A bill that took over 5 years from first being introduced to parliament to being passed, with two separate public consultations, both of which received more positive responses than negative. A bill which was a manifesto commitment for 129 of the 129 MSPs elected in the 2016 Parliament and 98 of the 129 MSPs elected in 2021. How many opportunities to talk about it are needed? How many times do the blatant lies being told about it need to be debunked? The concept of ‘manifesto commitment’ is a bit outdated tbf. It’s very unfair to the Tories and Labour to have to follow through on commitments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Brother Blades said: Yeah there was some woman on TV this morning saying that not only had women’s groups not been consulted, but that they were all against it! I’m pretty sure Women’s Aid Scotland amongst others are in favour. The latest on the 'we weren't listened to' nonsense is endlessly pointing out that approx 60% of the responses to the 2nd Consultation expressed a negative view of the bill. What appears to be totally lost on them, is the purpose of each of the consultations was to ascertain whether there was any substantive reason why the bill should not progress as intended, it was not an exercise in gauging whether or not the proposals had majority public approval. Everyone who submitted evidence and testimony to the committee was afforded exactly the same audience whether they were advocating for the bill or not. It's clear from the 5-2 verdict that the naysayers, even though they were apparently the majority, totally failed to present any convincing evidence to the committee that the bill should not progress In theory, it would have been perfectly possible for 100% of the submissions to have been expressing a negative view and the Bill still progress regardless, as the consultation period was not a referendum, like some of the groups in question are trying to imply. It's possible for an entire cohort to express a negative view and their view still to be completely misguided and based in nothing credible whatsoever. For all the bleating about 'evidence' that they supposedly submitted that was "ignored" by the committee, none of these groups have been able to produce it in public when they've been asked, yet there is nothing whatsoever which should prevent them being able to do so. It's invariably yet more "but theoretically..." strawmen, and points about "predatory men", an entirely and distinctly separate group from Trans people. Edited January 17, 2023 by Boo Khaki 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Well isn't this deliciously ironic - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64304142 Most of the exact same people and media sources who have been wailing the loudest about GRC reform have also been screeching and bawling about a ban on conversion therapy potentially 'criminalising parents' and so on. Going to be enormously interesting to see 1. how they defend their GC heroes at Westminster going for this, and 2. Square it with all the rhetoric and hot hair they've belched about the potential of this exact course of action over the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Yeah as @Boo Khaki points out, unless every women’s safe space has bouncers / police stationed outside, there is no increase in risk to women being assaulted/ predated upon. Tbh other than the constant punching down on minority groups when it makes absolutely no difference to the puncher, I’m more concerned about the abuse of democracy in this instance. The rUK certainly appears to be less tolerant than here in Scotland (we still have bigoted wankers, just less of them & we are less likely to vote them in to power) so in essence, Westminster can pass legislation within their remit to deliberately thwart Scots / Welsh / NI legislation within the devolved parliaments power. It’s a total disgrace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Urgent questions to the Home Sec in the HoC right now regarding endemic criminality and misogyny in the Police, and how women can have any faith in a force that evidently has an inordinate of predatory men committing actual crimes against women in its ranks. House is that empty there's an echo about the place. Wonder what the scene will be when it comes to a matter that supposedly carries an entirely hypothetical threat, but plays into culture wars shite rather than highlight the fact that a group that are commonly revered by the right-wing are, in fact, a danger to women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Boo Khaki said: Fucking ridiculous. Clearly a ploy so that all the attention is on Dundee's pitch inspection and not this. Disgraceful. Dundee and the Tories are pretty much in the same place. Struggling for relevance in a crumbling house while trying to hark back 50/60 years ago to a time when they mattered. Not to mention the bad economics, high crime rate amongst employees and rampant drug use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Jack is refusing to give concrete examples of problems so that he can't have the pure purple piss ripped out of him when folk contradict him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) All three tories repeating the outright lie that the reform bill somehow empowers GRC holders to 'intrude' in places they do not currently have access to. It's an utter falsehood, and an outrage that it's being repeated again and again. If GRC reform bill somehow impacts on EA 2010, then the existing GRC must also do so, yet they've said absolutely nothing in 12+ years of the EA's existence. Edited January 17, 2023 by Boo Khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Rosie Duffield repeating the same, self-evident falsehood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 What was the point of calling this debate before they published their reasons, also Ian Murray not insisting the SoS set out the bill that would be allowed to pass was just ridiculous. Dougie Ross embarrassing himself as usual asking Holyrood to pass legislation to protect women and girls across the UK, which I'm pretty sure is outwith the competence of the Scottish Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 And we've reached the 'they're all secretly peedooooooossss!!!!!' stage of the 'debate'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) FFS Lady Haldane's judgement did not 'add to the conflict', it clarified something that was already clear and self-evident and had been for 12+ years. More complete fucking garbage. Edited January 17, 2023 by Boo Khaki 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Aaaaaaand straight back to "but peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedooooooooossss!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 "Rushed legislation" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 This is one of the worst debates I've ever listened to in the Commons. The Tories really are absolute scum of the earth and dangerously thick as mince into the bargain. This is an absolute outrage man, the whole thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 16 and 17 year olds self identifying in Scotland will mean English safe places getting invaded by Scottish rapists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Nail on head Hilary Benn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Boo Khaki said: Nail on head Hilary Benn Aye, but met with the traditional non-answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 "a reduction in safeguards" Complete pish. The reformed GRC gives holders no added rights whatsoever, so how they can contend it somehow reduces existing protections beggars belief. It's a straightforward lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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