AyrExile Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 hour ago, renton said: Like what? Membership numbers showing significant decline and not growth. The civil service providing assistance to one of the candidates. A continuity candidate being proposed and losing a few key members of the top team in a week. Membership numbers and ballots that don't appear to tally. Apart from that not much else to see here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 24 minutes ago, AyrExile said: Membership numbers showing significant decline and not growth. The civil service providing assistance to one of the candidates. A continuity candidate being proposed and losing a few key members of the top team in a week. Membership numbers and ballots that don't appear to tally. Apart from that not much else to see here The first bit and third bit doesn't have any impact on the running of the election, and while continuity candidate may imply trying to maintain convergence with policy from the previous regime I don't think anyone voting Yousaf did so because they thought Liz Lloyd or Peter Murrell would be hanging around. The second and fourth parts are unfounded speculation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) I thought it was common knowledge that there had been a big drop in membership by the middle of last year? I don't get what Murrell had to gain by denying it, they were going to come out on Monday anyway. I can only think he said the Mail story was bollocks because the drop was attributed solely to GRR, and Murray Foote took it to mean that it was the numbers that were wrong. Edited March 20, 2023 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 hour ago, ScotiaNostra said: Do you think theres anything else is going to come out in the next few weeks/months in regards the SNP? There just seems a certain distancing going on suddenly and you wonder is that just related to whats already happened or is there more. NS to unveil she actually is 'wee jimmy krankie'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goomba Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Benjamin_Nevis said: He's not "iffy", he's a creepy wee homophobic, transphobic bigot whose weirdo opinions can be safely launched into the nearest bin. He is right when it comes to the internal workings of the corrupt SNP. -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, Goomba said: He is right when it comes to the internal workings of the corrupt SNP. When we want the joke opinions of a sock puppet account, we'll be sure to ask. Run along now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Am I missing something with this whole membership numbers thing? Who tf cares? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Just now, orfc said: The candidates for first minister who brought it up? The media gadgie and Murrell who resigned over it? That certainly answers the second part of my post. Perhaps I should've asked why should/does anyone care? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: I thought it was common knowledge that there had been a big drop in membership by the middle of last year? I don't get what Murrell had to gain by denying it, they were going to come out on Monday anyway. I can only think he said the Mail story was bollocks because the drop was attributed solely to GRR, and Murray Foote took it to mean that it was the numbers that were wrong. I think that's a very naive interpretation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Benjamin_Nevis said: He's not "iffy", he's a creepy wee homophobic, transphobic bigot whose weirdo opinions can be safely launched into the nearest bin. Add “overt racist” to that as well. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jeff Venom said: That certainly answers the second part of my post. Perhaps I should've asked why should/does anyone care? It's quite clear it would be the subject of extensive debate. Any members organisation that lost so many members should really be working out why they lost them. Mike Russell, the SNP President (now interim CEO) didn't even know the figures! I find that remarkable. How can you debate the leadership of an organisation and not know the state of the finances or the grass routes (ie. members)? The number of people doing a Mhairi Hunter and giving it "I don't care" is because they'd rather bury their heads in the sand than accept the abject leadership of the party that they were complicit in. Those who were challenging Murrell and the cabal around Sturgeon on transparency have been proven right. As hard is that is to accept. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Trogdor said: It's quite clear it would be the subject of extensive debate. Any members organisation that lost so many members should really be working out why they lost them. Mike Russell, the SNP President (now interim CEO) didn't even know the figures! I find that remarkable. How can you debate the leadership of an organisation and not know the state of the finances or the grass routes (ie. members)? The number of people doing a Mhairi Hunter and giving it "I don't care" is because they'd rather bury their heads in the sand than accept the abject leadership of the party that they were complicit in. Those who were challenging Murrell and the cabal around Sturgeon on transparency have been proven right. As hard is that is to accept. Fair enough - I'm not, nor have ever been, a member of a party. I didn't care when Labour hemorrhaged members post-Corbyn (the sleeper cells, rite?) and it doesn't seem to bother enough people that a tiny proportion of the population (Tory party members) get to choose the latest conveyor-belted in PM. I know we like to hold the Scottish gov to a higher standard and that's fine, I just didn't quite get the furore around it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Trogdor said: It's quite clear it would be the subject of extensive debate. Any members organisation that lost so many members should really be working out why they lost them. Mike Russell, the SNP President (now interim CEO) didn't even know the figures! I find that remarkable. How can you debate the leadership of an organisation and not know the state of the finances or the grass routes (ie. members)? The number of people doing a Mhairi Hunter and giving it "I don't care" is because they'd rather bury their heads in the sand than accept the abject leadership of the party that they were complicit in. Those who were challenging Murrell and the cabal around Sturgeon on transparency have been proven right. As hard is that is to accept. Generally the same people who would have said it deosnt matter having a husband and wife in the top 2 roles 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 30 minutes ago, Jeff Venom said: That certainly answers the second part of my post. Perhaps I should've asked why should/does anyone care? I thought it was the lying/being wrong/providing alternative facts that was the issue here rather than the numbers themselves? I still naively expect some basic level of integrity out of political types and for them to put some effort into obfuscation and providing a misleading impression of the facts without actually lying. A dying art. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Brazil Forever Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Jeff Venom said: That certainly answers the second part of my post. Perhaps I should've asked why should/does anyone care? All non SNP members of the general public who want a legitimate Scottish Government and a legitimate First Minister. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 4 hours ago, renton said: The first bit and third bit doesn't have any impact on the running of the election, and while continuity candidate may imply trying to maintain convergence with policy from the previous regime I don't think anyone voting Yousaf did so because they thought Liz Lloyd or Peter Murrell would be hanging around. The second and fourth parts are unfounded speculation. A large swing in members either way would surely have a bearing in choosing a continuity candidate or a fresh face. I've yet to meet many people that rate Humza and he's now looking at a rebuild than carrying on a successful model Liz Lloyd leaving abruptly would suggest there is truth in the story. Point 4 i will agree on though the innocent until proven guilty rule should switch here due to lack of transparency 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 6 hours ago, welshbairn said: Whatever happened to Dawson Park Boy? Dunno, but I'm sure I remember reading that he liked to threaten legal action against the site's owner if he was ever punted, so it must have been pretty undeniably appalling for that not to have happened. Just, the kind of thing that would leave a man embarrassed about being associated with their old account after inevitably crawling back for that dopamine hit of negative attention. Good to see that nobody's gone down the route of wild speculation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Trogdor said: I think that's a very naive interpretation. You'll probably find that there are several reasons why people wanted them published - in the case of The Heil I think @welshbairn's reason is probably closer to the truth for that rag. The ironic thing is that membership declined way before the arguments over GRR. There will have been some haemorrhaging of members because of Alba, because of disagreements over Covid and a myriad of other issues. Others like Forbes almost certainly wanted the figures because they just didn't trust Murrell. I personally can't blame them. That being said - running to The Heil as Regan did is just fucking idiotic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 20 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: You'll probably find that there are several reasons why people wanted them published - in the case of The Heil I think @welshbairn's reason is probably closer to the truth for that rag. The ironic thing is that membership declined way before the arguments over GRR. There will have been some haemorrhaging of members because of Alba, because of disagreements over Covid and a myriad of other issues. Others like Forbes almost certainly wanted the figures because they just didn't trust Murrell. I personally can't blame them. That being said - running to The Heil as Regan did is just fucking idiotic. My point was specifically around Murrell releasing the figures. I do agree that there are many reasons membership reduced and not just GRR (although it was a factor). There is documentary evidence that SNP HQ was still saying membership was around 100k a month ago. See below email from Chirs Musson from the Sun. The 'it wasn't due to the GRR', is just deflection. Murrell flat out lied and had to go. Apparently NS was on Loose Women today parroting the line that that it was misunderstanding and they were referring to those who left because of GRR. The below email makes no reference to GRR and is in the public domain. Why they are still lying about it beggars belief. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Ash Regan thinks members should be able to "edit" their votes.................. She really is fucking deranged https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65013144 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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