CarrbridgeSaintee Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Leith Green said: Not sure how that would square with their stated aim of Independence. I dont think the Labour "green credentials" are any better than the (frankly dreadful) SNP ones. Its all a bit of a mess, really. I might vote for Colin Fox............................ I disagree with his politics, but with Colin Fox you’re getting someone truly authentic. Massive respect for the guy. Edited April 19 by CarrbridgeSaintee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 I don't think authenticity is a good reason to vote for someone. People can be authenticate and an idiot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrbridgeSaintee Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 14 minutes ago, ICTChris said: I don't think authenticity is a good reason to vote for someone. People can be authenticate and an idiot. Yeah I’d never vote for him, but that’s because I’m not aligned with his politics. He’s not an idiot though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 2 hours ago, lichtgilphead said: Don't the SNP still hold 64 seats without the Greens? If so, they can't lose a VONC as even if the Greens vote against them, Lab, Con LD & Greens can only muster 64 votes, resulting in a tie, and the Presiding Officer votes in favour of the status quo in the event of a tie. Obviously, this assumes that the all SNP vote together, but I can't see any of them breaking ranks... I didn’t quite realise that the SNP were so close to an outright majority in the last election. Technically the opposition could win 65-63, but that would rely on the vote of Ash Regan who defected to Alba. I’m not sure they’d want to be seen to be letting Labour in through the back door. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 On 17/04/2024 at 21:34, scottsdad said: These "My team: Scotland" posters are the worst. Remarkable how many turn out to be The Rangers fans too. It's like clockwork. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 22 minutes ago, JS_FFC said: I didn’t quite realise that the SNP were so close to an outright majority in the last election. Technically the opposition could win 65-63, but that would rely on the vote of Ash Regan who defected to Alba. I’m not sure they’d want to be seen to be letting Labour in through the back door. Apologies - I had forgotten about Ash Regan's defection. As you say however, I don't see her siding with Lab/Con/LD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB_Bino Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 5 hours ago, Leith Green said: Not sure how that would square with their stated aim of Independence. I dont think the Labour "green credentials" are any better than the (frankly dreadful) SNP ones. Its all a bit of a mess, really. I might vote for Colin Fox............................ 3 hours ago, CarrbridgeSaintee said: I disagree with his politics, but with Colin Fox you’re getting someone truly authentic. Massive respect for the guy. As a former SSP member and someone that got to know Colin very very well during this time, he's exactly the kind of guy that Scottish politics needs and someone who speaks well, debates well and is very knowledgeable in the goings ons. However the SSP are truly a basket case of a party with so many faults. They're good at campaigning streets and standing united with workers on picket lines etc etc but actually do nothing....when this is questioned, all you get is "but we're a small party that needs to grow first"......how you grow without actually standing for elections is beyond me. How long does a party need to stand still before it grows? So yes, Colin (and Richie Venton) are excellent politicians, whether you agree with their political stance or not, but you'll probably never get the chance to vote for them and in some way that's a pity because they do have a lot to offer. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 34 minutes ago, BFTD said: Remarkable how many turn out to be The Rangers fans too. It's like clockwork. How accurate is Dave? 15 hours ago, Hiram Holliday said: The marching season is bright and beautiful…and the colours I adore. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 A lot of Green councillors openly speaking out now against Bute House, if they get the numbers for an EGM in the first place I reckon they'll collapse it. There is a reasonable theoretical argument around environmental policies that there should be less focus on benchmarking targets for a certain date and more focus on what policies will get you the long term reductions and improvements you're aiming for, rather than flailing around to try to meet unrealistic short term targets which leads to failure to adopt policies that will be better in the long term as a result. That's not going to stand up as an argument for what the government are doing here, because the policies aren't actually there. It's chucking the target which could be fair enough in isolation, but having little of substance to replace it beyond well intentioned language about taking action rather than having policies ready to go. You're getting to the point where nothing that was agreed for power sharing is coming to pass anyway, so the Greens are serving no purpose beyond being a lightning rod for criticism and that will end up killing them at the ballot box as even their core voters turn their backs over failing to achieve anything. Some of that has been due to an unprecedented intransigence and trampling of devolution on the part of the UK government after bills on devolved matters have been passed which neither party leadership can be blamed for, but much of it has been down to the incompetence of one or both of them and if it leads to the Greens being the ones to collapse the agreement, then even though some in the SNP will be happy to see it and they'll still have the numbers to govern in the meantime, it's only going to increase the lame duck feeling around Yousaf. It's possible that the shadow of Murrell would have tanked any SNP leadership, but it was Yousaf's choice to set himself up as being so close to Sturgeon in his leadership bid and from the shambolic handling of the council tax freeze onwards the setbacks have undeniably been self-inflicted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 38 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: A lot of Green councillors openly speaking out now against Bute House, if they get the numbers for an EGM in the first place I reckon they'll collapse it. There is a reasonable theoretical argument around environmental policies that there should be less focus on benchmarking targets for a certain date and more focus on what policies will get you the long term reductions and improvements you're aiming for, rather than flailing around to try to meet unrealistic short term targets which leads to failure to adopt policies that will be better in the long term as a result. That's not going to stand up as an argument for what the government are doing here, because the policies aren't actually there. It's chucking the target which could be fair enough in isolation, but having little of substance to replace it beyond well intentioned language about taking action rather than having policies ready to go. You're getting to the point where nothing that was agreed for power sharing is coming to pass anyway, so the Greens are serving no purpose beyond being a lightning rod for criticism and that will end up killing them at the ballot box as even their core voters turn their backs over failing to achieve anything. Some of that has been due to an unprecedented intransigence and trampling of devolution on the part of the UK government after bills on devolved matters have been passed which neither party leadership can be blamed for, but much of it has been down to the incompetence of one or both of them and if it leads to the Greens being the ones to collapse the agreement, then even though some in the SNP will be happy to see it and they'll still have the numbers to govern in the meantime, it's only going to increase the lame duck feeling around Yousaf. It's possible that the shadow of Murrell would have tanked any SNP leadership, but it was Yousaf's choice to set himself up as being so close to Sturgeon in his leadership bid and from the shambolic handling of the council tax freeze onwards the setbacks have undeniably been self-inflicted. A journalist on X saying a general meeting has been agreed but no date yet. Will this come to more than the annual handbags each year around budget time? Surely there are some members who still prioritise animal welfare/greenhouse gases to bickering around gender issues? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 22 hours ago, BB_Bino said: As a former SSP member and someone that got to know Colin very very well during this time, he's exactly the kind of guy that Scottish politics needs and someone who speaks well, debates well and is very knowledgeable in the goings ons. However the SSP are truly a basket case of a party with so many faults. They're good at campaigning streets and standing united with workers on picket lines etc etc but actually do nothing....when this is questioned, all you get is "but we're a small party that needs to grow first"......how you grow without actually standing for elections is beyond me. How long does a party need to stand still before it grows? So yes, Colin (and Richie Venton) are excellent politicians, whether you agree with their political stance or not, but you'll probably never get the chance to vote for them and in some way that's a pity because they do have a lot to offer. Tommy Sheridan is such a villain. How he unwittingly became the protagonist Murdoch needed to destroy the nascent socialist movement in Scottish electoral politics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 8 hours ago, Freedom Farter said: Tommy Sheridan is such a villain. How he unwittingly became the protagonist Murdoch needed to destroy the nascent socialist movement in Scottish electoral politics. One of the great 'what if's' of Scottish politics. As in, has Sheridan not torpedoed the SSP with his antics when he did, their vote would probably have held up in 2007, taking a share away from the SNP, and the SNP would probably have needed an agreement with the SSP to form a govt. That would have led to a very different and very interesting period between 2007-11 had it happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 4 minutes ago, Jedi2 said: One of the great 'what if's' of Scottish politics. As in, has Sheridan not torpedoed the SSP with his antics when he did, their vote would probably have held up in 2007, taking a share away from the SNP, and the SNP would probably have needed an agreement with the SSP to form a govt. That would have led to a very different and very interesting period between 2007-11 had it happened. Given the SNP got in on the back of the list vote in 2007, a more effective SSP would probably have delivered four more years of Jack McConnell as FM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Possibly. Meanwhile, will the Humza be replaced before the GE? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTee Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Endorsement of Westminster rule is a wee bit subservient. Scotland would thrive if given the chance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 20 hours ago, Jedi2 said: Possibly. Meanwhile, will the Humza be replaced before the GE? If the Bute House agreement collapses he might just be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 14 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: If the Bute House agreement collapses he might just be. I think he’ll get to the GE. Whether he stays after that depends on the outcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 It’d take a total bamstick to want the leadership right now. The clever ones will wait, watch it implode and then come with a (fairly easy) rebuild job. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Anndd...he's back. That 'win' presumably can be by 1 seat, on less than 30% of the vote, and UDI later this year, it is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Seems like the SNP are going to vote on the Bute House Agreement as well. There’s an emergency cabinet meeting being held at 0830 this morning. Who gets to press the button on the break up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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