Jives Miguel Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, DukDukGoose said: As soon as she says Arteta has asked Pep to throw in a fake bid she's fully wrong. Compelling argument, DukDukGoose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 7 hours ago, Jives Miguel said: Compelling argument, DukDukGoose. Go on then, how is she half right in her suggestion that Arteta asked Pep to put in a bid..? What happens if West Ham accept the City bid and Arsenal refuse to match it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) I see no reason why Pep would help Arteta. I get that a City bid could be used to encourage Arsenal's board to throw more money at Rice, but Pep also knows Arsenal are getting a quality player. Don't see why he would want that. Arteta and Pep are probably decent friends, but they aren't gonna pull strings behind the transfer market to suit each other. It's just another "professional" "pundit" talking "a load of shite" Edited July 6, 2023 by ClydeTon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernrover Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 The more and more I see of pundits the more and more I think of Christopher Hitchens' "If you gave him an enema he'd fit in a matchbox". It's widely accepted that most professional footballers are thicker than a whale's foreskin, so god knows why they get held in such a high regard in a job where intelligence and precise, thoughful communication is so important. It's not as if football tactics or most of its workings are some great mystery that we only a select few who have been there can comprehend. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 16 minutes ago, southernrover said: The more and more I see of pundits the more and more I think of Christopher Hitchens' "If you gave him an enema he'd fit in a matchbox". It's widely accepted that most professional footballers are thicker than a whale's foreskin, so god knows why they get held in such a high regard in a job where intelligence and precise, thoughful communication is so important. It's not as if football tactics or most of its workings are some great mystery that we only a select few who have been there can comprehend. This bit is true enough in terms of watching football, but a pundit or, like on MNF when they sometimes get a manager on to explain some wee intricacies is good IMO. Likes of Thierry Henry for example often offers a good insight into the mind of an attacker. We almost never get anything like that though as BT in particular appear absolutely determined to force us down the road of shrill, fan TV and controversy for controversies sake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: This bit is true enough in terms of watching football, but a pundit or, like on MNF when they sometimes get a manager on to explain some wee intricacies is good IMO. Likes of Thierry Henry for example often offers a good insight into the mind of an attacker. We almost never get anything like that though as BT in particular appear absolutely determined to force us down the road of shrill, fan TV and controversy for controversies sake Strangely the best bit of insight last season (I think) was on BT but it was almost by accident - they tried interviewing Thomas Frank and Graham Potter at the same time before a Brentford v Brighton game. They almost ignored the shite questions but interrogated each other about their styles of play and talked about ways to try and counteract each other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernrover Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 19 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: This bit is true enough in terms of watching football, but a pundit or, like on MNF when they sometimes get a manager on to explain some wee intricacies is good IMO. Likes of Thierry Henry for example often offers a good insight into the mind of an attacker. We almost never get anything like that though as BT in particular appear absolutely determined to force us down the road of shrill, fan TV and controversy for controversies sake That is true enough, there are certainly some out there who are decent enough, I was more thinking about freaks like Redknapp and McManaman trying to string a sentence together, and when they do it's either shite or something Helen Keller could have told you. I suppose I really want pundits to only tell me things I couldn't know. I suppose the battle of wits between Frank and Potter mentioned above (I've never seen it) is the kind of thing I'm after; not Keane being the pantomime villain and Richards the court jester. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Just now, southernrover said: That is true enough, there are certainly some out there who are decent enough, I was more thinking about freaks like Redknapp and McManaman trying to string a sentence together, and when they do it's either shite or something Helen Keller could have told you. I suppose I really want pundits to only tell me things I couldn't know. I suppose the battle of wits between Frank and Potter mentioned above (I've never seen it) is the kind of thing I'm after; not Keane being the pantomime villain and Richards the court jester. Totally agree with you. Theres absolutely a place and a value in good punditry, but we are so starved of it now that all punditry is starting to seem like an annoyance you'd happily bin. Steve McManaman is just so irredeemably fucking excruciating, that he has a genuine negative effect on the watching of a football match. Can't stress enough how bad he is. I think he typifies the genre pretty well. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) There’s definitely a fair few pundits that have no business being there, but the bigger problem is in those who maybe are worth having around find out the only way they stick around is by providing tv companies and weirdos who say they like football but haven’t ever watched a game outside their living room ‘entertainment’ and therefore the entire dynamic has become one or both say something ridiculous and they then scream at each other for 15 minutes. Presenter then chuckles and we go to an ad break, Edited July 6, 2023 by parsforlife 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) Coverage starts 5 minutes before kick-off, quick intro with a bit of Rocky music and over to Brian Moore and Jimmy Greaves. The good old days of TV coverage. Edited July 6, 2023 by Crow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Rodney Marsh, by the way. What a pundit he was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 When the Premier League started up and Sky started doing the live games, Tyler and Gray did the Sundays and Darke and Gray (iirc) did the Monday nights. After a while though, Gray went to the studio and Trevor Francis became the summariser. He was excellent. Straight after kick off, he'd always say something like "for those of you interested in formations and systems, Arsenal have their usual back four playing quite high" or "West Ham have three at the back tonight, with the sweeper being a yard or two deeper and the centre halves being allowed to step into midfield". It was all basic stuff really but the first time a pundit had actually tried to explain how the teams had lined up, but more importantly why. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 The intent of most pundits, and most media companies, isn't to explain intricate concepts to a vast audience - it is simply entertainment. Sometimes entertainment will be shitting on Johnny Foreigner, sometimes it will be banal platitudes, sometimes it will be Roy Keane looking hard. It does nothing for me so I don't watch any of it any more. You can very easily consume football coverage for free, the whole industry is built on a house of cards of consumers with enough cash, and not enough technical know how. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 I have no issue watching a game with the sound down if the commentary is shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jives Miguel Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 16 hours ago, DukDukGoose said: Go on then, how is she half right in her suggestion that Arteta asked Pep to put in a bid..? What happens if West Ham accept the City bid and Arsenal refuse to match it? Perhaps refer to my previous posts where that was explained. Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, Jives Miguel said: Perhaps refer to my previous posts where that was explained. Thanks. You didn't explain anything. You gave an opinion that Man City didn't want him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jives Miguel Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 24 minutes ago, DukDukGoose said: You didn't explain anything. You gave an opinion that Man City didn't want him. Are you being thick on purpose? I never explained what she was half right about, apart from the time where I explicitly stated exactly that. Stop talking to me please, painful stuff. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Jives Miguel said: Are you being thick on purpose? I never explained what she was half right about, apart from the time where I explicitly stated exactly that. Stop talking to me please, painful stuff. Compelling argument, Jives Miguel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Genuine goosebumps when the Gallowgate starts belting this out against Villa next month. I'll be there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensible Soccer🏴 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Big signing day for Arsenal today, Saliba meant to be signing his new contract plus medicals for Rice & Timber. All pretty good business imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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