General Election 2024

[Fullerene]

22 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

It has been mentioned (on other threads) at least twice.

Other threads?  Let me guess.

Petty things that get on your mind.

Bromley Football Club.  Grrr.

[ClydeTon]

12 hours ago, Freedom Farter said:

The inverse of your claim happened.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9e9ydj215yo

Many more lost. Only six independents won, one of whom was Jeremy Corbyn, so five, tops.

The ones who lost were largely up against pro-Palestine Labour candidates anyway (or, like one in particular in Birmingham, were blatant homophobes and/or misogynists which made them unelectable)

So yes, some won, but the vast majority didn't. My point was that.

 

[Cheese]

[coprolite]

3 hours ago, JS_FFC said:

Iqbal Mohammed was elected for Dewsbury and Batley. Independents also took Leicester South, Blackburn and Birmingham Perry Barr

 

https://www.imohamed4mp.co.uk/

Dangerous left wing ideology includes desire to "secure investment" and professes support for subversive organisations like the "sports centre" 

Leicester South: https://shockatadam.org/

Hardcore Leninist doctrine from this one: "As a small business owner in our community, I understand the hurdles of entrepreneurship firsthand. It's imperative that we implement clear and vigorous strategies to enhance our city's business landscape. I am dedicated to advocating for local businesses and revitalising our international reputation to position Leicester as a desirable hub for commerce."

Blackburn : https://electionleaflets.org/leaflets/20007/

This commie is advocating tax cuts for small businesses and is bringing in disgustingky WOKE identity politics by acknowledging that public services have prioritised women and minorities and marginalised white working class males. The worst sort of cultural marxism. 

Birmingham - can't find much about. 

3 hours ago, JS_FFC said:

I’m not talking about Corbyn here. It’s the Galloway aligned independents in the other seats who have been elected on a single issue which our government has no control over.

Citation required 

2 hours ago, JS_FFC said:

The centrist position on the Middle East is an immediate ceasefire leading to a sustainable two state solution. “
 

 

 

”Let Israel finish the job” is a right wing talking point being peddled by Trump in the US and some Tories here much like “from the river to the sea” is a left wing dog whistle.

There's only one dog whistle here.

Where does "genocide is wrong" fit into your peculiar worldview. 

[tamthebam]

2 hours ago, tarapoa said:

Apologies if this has been mentioned earlier or elsewhere, but an interesting stat.

QoS, Annan, Stranraer and Bromley are the only senior teams in the UK that are located in a Tory seat.

If half the Labour vote in those seats had held their nose and voted SNP then 3 of those wouldn't be.

I suppose tactical voting only goes so far. 

[Jedi2]

Labour's position on Gaza is a ceasefire, aid getting through properly to those who most need it, and a two state solution.

No question that they took time to get there, but I'm not sure what else they could say other than  the above.

There are of course other conflicts and oppression of minorities going on around the world...things have gone very quiet on Ukraine recently for instance yet it is still very much rumbling on. There are major conflicts in Yemen, Sudan and Syria which we hear next to nothing about and where a lot of people are still dying There are what are cited as genocides happening in Afghanistan and the Turkish treatment of Kurds. Why weren't there 'Independent' electio  candidates to campaign about these?

At some point there will be an end to the Israeli offensive in Gaza..hopefully very soon, so that a process of rebuilding in the region can start and people lives can start to be rebuilt as well.

We now have a party in govt whose stance on Gaza is, as far as I can see, the same as the SNP. Once the situation improves don't see how Starmer still has to be held to 'account' for this. Of major concern coming up is, is Trump pulling US military aid out of Ukraine which will clearly embolden Putin and weaken NATO (which Trump also plans to do). 

 

[paranoid android]

Maggie Thatcher - your boys took a hell of a beating.

[Sonam]

4 hours ago, coprolite said:

I think he means "anti genocide" 

 

[Cheese]

35 minutes ago, Jedi2 said:

Labour's position on Gaza is a ceasefire, aid getting through properly to those who most need it, and a two state solution.

No question that they took time to get there, but I'm not sure what else they could say other than  the above.

There are of course other conflicts and oppression of minorities going on around the world...things have gone very quiet on Ukraine recently for instance yet it is still very much rumbling on. There are major conflicts in Yemen, Sudan and Syria which we hear next to nothing about and where a lot of people are still dying There are what are cited as genocides happening in Afghanistan and the Turkish treatment of Kurds. Why weren't there 'Independent' electio  candidates to campaign about these?

At some point there will be an end to the Israeli offensive in Gaza..hopefully very soon, so that a process of rebuilding in the region can start and people lives can start to be rebuilt as well.

We now have a party in govt whose stance on Gaza is, as far as I can see, the same as the SNP. Once the situation improves don't see how Starmer still has to be held to 'account' for this. Of major concern coming up is, is Trump pulling US military aid out of Ukraine which will clearly embolden Putin and weaken NATO (which Trump also plans to do). 

 

This is disingenuous bullshit and you know it.

[Jacksgranda]

2 hours ago, ClydeTon said:

Many more lost. Only six independents won, one of whom was Jeremy Corbyn, so five, tops.

The ones who lost were largely up against pro-Palestine Labour candidates anyway (or, like one in particular in Birmingham, were blatant homophobes and/or misogynists which made them unelectable)

So yes, some won, but the vast majority didn't. My point was that.

 

4, I think, another independent won in NI

[coprolite]

43 minutes ago, Jedi2 said:

Labour's position on Gaza is a ceasefire, aid getting through properly to those who most need it, and a two state solution.

No question that they took time to get there, but I'm not sure what else they could say other than  the above.

There are of course other conflicts and oppression of minorities going on around the world...things have gone very quiet on Ukraine recently for instance yet it is still very much rumbling on. There are major conflicts in Yemen, Sudan and Syria which we hear next to nothing about and where a lot of people are still dying There are what are cited as genocides happening in Afghanistan and the Turkish treatment of Kurds. Why weren't there 'Independent' electio  candidates to campaign about these?

 

At some point there will be an end to the Israeli offensive in Gaza..hopefully very soon, so that a process of rebuilding in the region can start and people lives can start to be rebuilt as well.

We now have a party in govt whose stance on Gaza is, as far as I can see, the same as the SNP. Once the situation improves don't see how Starmer still has to be held to 'account' for this. Of major concern coming up is, is Trump pulling US military aid out of Ukraine which will clearly embolden Putin and weaken NATO (which Trump also plans to do). 

 

The establishment parties have come out unequivocally in support of Ukraine and against Russian aggression. 

I don't have the figures to hand but i'd expect that numbers of Syrian and Turkish Kurds in The UK are dwarfed by the number of muslims. There is a strong school of thought in Islam that muslims should look out for other muslims. The fact that it's happening in a historically and culturally sensitive region means that it's much more salient than some isolated valley in the mountains. In short, a lot of people care, a lot. 

 

 

Labour only changed tack to a ceasefire after about 20, 000 deaths and many high profile crimes against humanity. Even now they're not condemning Israel (unless i missed that). A lot of people that care a lot about something that Labour is non commital and bland about therefore feel unrepresented by Labour and want represented. 

That's how democracy works. You (and that @JS_FFC guy) seem to be insinuating that there's more to it and some sort of conspiracy. Him with his Galloway shite and you putting inverted commas around "independent". 

Maybe it's all part of the great replacement 

[welshbairn]

The vast majority of Kurds are Sunni Muslim.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

1 hour ago, coprolite said:

https://www.imohamed4mp.co.uk/

Dangerous left wing ideology includes desire to "secure investment" and professes support for subversive organisations like the "sports centre" 

Leicester South: https://shockatadam.org/

Hardcore Leninist doctrine from this one: "As a small business owner in our community, I understand the hurdles of entrepreneurship firsthand. It's imperative that we implement clear and vigorous strategies to enhance our city's business landscape. I am dedicated to advocating for local businesses and revitalising our international reputation to position Leicester as a desirable hub for commerce."

Blackburn : https://electionleaflets.org/leaflets/20007/

This commie is advocating tax cuts for small businesses and is bringing in disgustingky WOKE identity politics by acknowledging that public services have prioritised women and minorities and marginalised white working class males. The worst sort of cultural marxism. 

Birmingham - can't find much about. 

Citation required 

There's only one dog whistle here.

Where does "genocide is wrong" fit into your peculiar worldview. 

As far as I was aware, none of them were politically aligned with Galloway.

As you say - dog whistle shite of the worst kind

[carpetmonster]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

This is disingenuous bullshit and you know it.

That’s a thing - I take it that horrible little tit Akehurst won whatever shoo-in he was parachuted into? 

[Monkey Tennis]

1 hour ago, tamthebam said:

If half the Labour vote in those seats had held their nose and voted SNP then 3 of those wouldn't be.

I suppose tactical voting only goes so far. 

It wouldn't have needed half to free at least two of the clubs.  A tenth would have done it in Dumfries and Galloway.   The fact that it ended up as a genuine 3 way split however, meant it wasn't entirely clear who should be holding their noses.  

Tactical voting is harder when the rivalries aren't entirely clear.

Mind you, four thousand saw fit to vote Reform here too, so the Tories could perhaps have made a similar claim it they'd missed out.

[Granny Danger]

2 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

Labour's position on Gaza is a ceasefire, aid getting through properly to those who most need it, and a two state solution.

No question that they took time to get there, but I'm not sure what else they could say other than  the above.

There are of course other conflicts and oppression of minorities going on around the world...things have gone very quiet on Ukraine recently for instance yet it is still very much rumbling on. There are major conflicts in Yemen, Sudan and Syria which we hear next to nothing about and where a lot of people are still dying There are what are cited as genocides happening in Afghanistan and the Turkish treatment of Kurds. Why weren't there 'Independent' electio  candidates to campaign about these?

At some point there will be an end to the Israeli offensive in Gaza..hopefully very soon, so that a process of rebuilding in the region can start and people lives can start to be rebuilt as well.

We now have a party in govt whose stance on Gaza is, as far as I can see, the same as the SNP. Once the situation improves don't see how Starmer still has to be held to 'account' for this. Of major concern coming up is, is Trump pulling US military aid out of Ukraine which will clearly embolden Putin and weaken NATO (which Trump also plans to do). 

 

Defending the indefensible.  No real surprise.

[Jedi2]

49 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Defending the indefensible.  No real surprise.

Ceasefire, Aid and a two state solution...'indefensible'..okay.

What is your position on Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, Turkish Kurds, Ukraine, and China...or do none of these 'matter'?

[Granny Danger]

Just now, Jedi2 said:

Ceasefire, Aid and a two state solution...'indefensible'..okay.

What is your position on Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, Turkish Kurds, Ukraine, and China...or do none of these 'matter'?

If Russia had done/was doing to Ukrainian women and children what Israel has done/is doing to Palestinian women and children Labour politicians would be fighting each other to get to the microphone first to condemn it unequivocally.

 

[Freedom Farter]

3 hours ago, Jedi2 said:

There are of course other conflicts and oppression of minorities going on around the world...things have gone very quiet on Ukraine recently for instance yet it is still very much rumbling on. There are major conflicts in Yemen, Sudan and Syria which we hear next to nothing about and where a lot of people are still dying

We hear nothing from Starmer's Labour, sure, but we hear plenty from others. The NFP in France have Ukrainian debt cancellation in their manifesto. All Starmer has done is phoned Zelensky, a shallow PR move. With Yemen, Corbyn got UK weapons exports to Saudi halted. They were started up again after he resigned. No mainstream media journalist has raised the plight of Yemenis in recent years more than Owen Jones. On Sudan, independent socialist media covers efforts there, which centre around pressuring UAE  (https://youtu.be/_jht_uy2Crw?si=TwlgRR_6U7uOYlI4). Syria is different as the largest external contributor to that conflict is Iran. The lack of UK relations with Iran leaves little to protest on as there's not much scope for pressuring Iran.

 

[Jedi2]

An estimated 62000 Christians massacred in a continuing genocide in Nigeria by Islamist groups as well. No-one on the streets over that one.