The Falkirk FC Thread

[Shodwall cat]

4 minutes ago, FuzzyBear said:

McDonald none. Forsyth 3 or 4 and One played about a dozen.

Aye it's not really what an academy's all about but needs must when you need the money. We ended up doing something similar a few years back where players played less and less for the first team before getting sold due to the need for cash. Players should really play for a few years in the first team so the club sees the benefit on the park before being sold. We always found that those that were the most successful were those that had a lot more first team experience before moving on. Those that hardly played for our first team hardly ever seemed to make it down south

 

[FuzzyBear]

2 minutes ago, ShaggerG said:

Who played a dozen? McDonald or Forsyth?

 

4 minutes ago, ShaggerG said:

Who played a dozen? McDonald or Forsyth?

Am I being wooshed here

[FFC 1876]

4 minutes ago, Shodwall cat said:

Aye it's not really what an academy's all about but needs must when you need the money. We ended up doing something similar a few years back where players played less and less for the first team before getting sold due to the need for cash. Players should really play for a few years in the first team so the club sees the benefit on the park before being sold. We always found that those that were the most successful were those that had a lot more first team experience before moving on. Those that hardly played for our first team hardly ever seemed to make it down south

 

They've only sold 280 season books they don't really have a choice.

[ShaggerG]

8 minutes ago, Shodwall cat said:

Aye it's not really what an academy's all about but needs must when you need the money. We ended up doing something similar a few years back where players played less and less for the first team before getting sold due to the need for cash. Players should really play for a few years in the first team so the club sees the benefit on the park before being sold. We always found that those that were the most successful were those that had a lot more first team experience before moving on. Those that hardly played for our first team hardly ever seemed to make it down south

 

I suppose you could counter that argument by taking the likes of Biabi as an example. Can't remember how much we got for him but it was decent money for a guy that we all knew didn't really have it. Tony Gallagher's another, although they both did play some first team games TBF.

I completely agree though, I'd much rather see these laddies give us a good couple of seasons before moving on.

[sick boy]

20 minutes ago, Shodwall cat said:

Because his pals have said that.

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Every player I named had contract offers from the Championship.

[Shodwall cat]

1 minute ago, ShaggerG said:

I suppose you could counter that argument by taking the likes of Biabi as an example. Can't remember how much we got for him but it was decent money for a guy that we all knew didn't really have it. Tony Gallagher's another, although they both did play some first team games TBF.

I completely agree though, I'd much rather see these laddies give us a good couple of seasons before moving on.

You think about it though when the likes of Kingsley first played in the first team I thought he'd never make it. Same with mcgrandles. It was only as they gained first team experience that their quality really started to show through. Who knows how the likes of biabi and Gallagher may have looked if they had played more and more games.  The money at the time though was more than you can really gamble that chance on though.

[Shodwall cat]

Just now, sick boy said:

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Every player I named had contract offers from the Championship.

I'm just telling you what his reply was when questioned 

[sick boy]

Just now, Shodwall cat said:

I'm just telling you what his reply was when questioned 

Yeah apologies if that came off directed at you Shadwell, was towards the OP.

[Springfield]

50 minutes ago, sick boy said:

Tad late here but what? 

How are Lang, Spencer, Miller and Agyeman not upgrades??

Are they really upgrades? Upgrades on who ?

[Big chungus]

Just now, Springfield said:

Are they really upgrades? Upgrades on who ?

Lang an upgrade on Watson. Spencer a replacement for max. However, you could argue that because max was only signed in January and as a loan Spencer is player we needed that didn’t already have. Ageyman got just as many goals as Kennedy did last season and Miller is an upgrade on Mcguffie. All being said still very early days but all those 4 have looked decent/impressive in pre season. 

[Bairnardo]

4 minutes ago, Springfield said:

Are they really upgrades? Upgrades on who ?

Spencer probably better than both McGinn (legs) and Yeats (inexperience) for the deeper playmaker role. Certainly more creative and forward thinking than Hendo. 

Miller almost certainly better than McGuffie. Hard to imagine he's not at least as good as Kennedy. Agyeman, likewise. Also offers good pace and additional physicality and can play centrally, so also probably better than Burrell.... Probably. Closer to the finished article and able to impact games from the start. 

McIver more suited and specialised than Oliver if the lone striker role is one we are going with. I'd expect more of what McGlynn wants out of that position than we seen from Oliver who tried but wasn't necessarily suited. 

Lang. Is he better than Donaldson? Well that depends on which version of Donaldson we get. But the start of the season version was undoubtedly one of the best CHs in the league, so you would imagine Lang partners him. That leaves Mckay, Mackie, Watson and Hendo in terms of people who Lang needs to be an upgrade on. If you don't think he is, I don't know what to tell you. 

Every single signing represents a net Improvement in the available quality. That's not to say further tailoring isn't needed, but let's not go over that in this context. 

Every signing represents improvement and I've no idea how to make an argument otherwise. I don't have the psychic abilities to say whether it's enough, but it's disingenuous to say no improvement 

[Monkey Tennis]

2 hours ago, Bairnardo said:

I've said this before, but on frequent League games with little away support, Brockville was every bit as capable of being absolutely dead. 

Even then, it was always the fault of other clubs and their rubbish supports.

Marvellous stuff.

[Bairnardo]

2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Even then, it was always the fault of other clubs and their rubbish supports.

Marvellous stuff.

You're trying WAY to hard to mine this particular seam m8. 

[Monkey Tennis]

1 minute ago, Bairnardo said:

You're trying WAY to hard to mine this particular seam m8. 

Any time I take a look in here, someone gives me a pickaxe.  I can't help it.

[Springfield]

12 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Spencer probably better than both McGinn (legs) and Yeats (inexperience) for the deeper playmaker role. Certainly more creative and forward thinking than Hendo. 

Miller almost certainly better than McGuffie. Hard to imagine he's not at least as good as Kennedy. Agyeman, likewise. Also offers good pace and additional physicality and can play centrally, so also probably better than Burrell.... Probably. Closer to the finished article and able to impact games from the start. 

McIver more suited and specialised than Oliver if the lone striker role is one we are going with. I'd expect more of what McGlynn wants out of that position than we seen from Oliver who tried but wasn't necessarily suited. 

Lang. Is he better than Donaldson? Well that depends on which version of Donaldson we get. But the start of the season version was undoubtedly one of the best CHs in the league, so you would imagine Lang partners him. That leaves Mckay, Mackie, Watson and Hendo in terms of people who Lang needs to be an upgrade on. If you don't think he is, I don't know what to tell you. 

Every single signing represents a net Improvement in the available quality. That's not to say further tailoring isn't needed, but let's not go over that in this context. 

Every signing represents improvement and I've no idea how to make an argument otherwise. I don't have the psychic abilities to say whether it's enough, but it's disingenuous to say no improvement 

With reference to your last paragraph, I sincerely hope that these new players do well and that they are “improvements”

They’ve apparently had “championship” offers and chose to come to Falkirk. Let’s hope it’s all positive……

[Bairnardo]

Just now, Springfield said:

With reference to your last paragraph, I sincerely hope that these new players do well and that they are “improvements”

They’ve apparently had “championship” offers and chose to come to Falkirk. Let’s hope it’s all positive……

Whats with the "..."? I mean, we don't know how the seasons going to pan out, but we can cast an eye over our signings. You asked who represents upgrades. I've done my best to say where I think improvements have been made. Do you disagree with anything in particular or are you just keen to cast as much doubt as possible with no real critical thought behind it?

[ShaggerG]

8 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Whats with the "..."? I mean, we don't know how the seasons going to pan out, but we can cast an eye over our signings. You asked who represents upgrades. I've done my best to say where I think improvements have been made. Do you disagree with anything in particular or are you just keen to cast as much doubt as possible with no real critical thought behind it?

The last bit. 

[sick boy]

40 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Spencer probably better than both McGinn (legs) and Yeats (inexperience) for the deeper playmaker role. Certainly more creative and forward thinking than Hendo. 

Miller almost certainly better than McGuffie. Hard to imagine he's not at least as good as Kennedy. Agyeman, likewise. Also offers good pace and additional physicality and can play centrally, so also probably better than Burrell.... Probably. Closer to the finished article and able to impact games from the start. 

McIver more suited and specialised than Oliver if the lone striker role is one we are going with. I'd expect more of what McGlynn wants out of that position than we seen from Oliver who tried but wasn't necessarily suited. 

Lang. Is he better than Donaldson? Well that depends on which version of Donaldson we get. But the start of the season version was undoubtedly one of the best CHs in the league, so you would imagine Lang partners him. That leaves Mckay, Mackie, Watson and Hendo in terms of people who Lang needs to be an upgrade on. If you don't think he is, I don't know what to tell you. 

Every single signing represents a net Improvement in the available quality. That's not to say further tailoring isn't needed, but let's not go over that in this context. 

Every signing represents improvement and I've no idea how to make an argument otherwise. I don't have the psychic abilities to say whether it's enough, but it's disingenuous to say no improvement 

this^

[Springfield]

1 minute ago, Bairnardo said:

Whats with the "..."? I mean, we don't know how the seasons going to pan out, but we can cast an eye over our signings. You asked who represents upgrades. I've done my best to say where I think improvements have been made. Do you disagree with anything in particular or are you just keen to cast as much doubt as possible with no real critical thought behind it?

Trying to be realistic with the situation we are faced with, and appreciate your take on who’s came in. Yes haven’t a Fckn scubie how the season will pan out, but sincerely hope we get top spot. My issue is that we’ve shopped predominantly in the safe houses for players that are arguably better or are some have posted “upgrades” that will get us promoted. My concern is that for the past few seasons there’s been so many of these so called better players who have been nothing short of average, and when the pressure is on we’ve shat one. 

 

[FFC 1876]

3 minutes ago, Springfield said:

Trying to be realistic with the situation we are faced with, and appreciate your take on who’s came in. Yes haven’t a Fckn scubie how the season will pan out, but sincerely hope we get top spot. My issue is that we’ve shopped predominantly in the safe houses for players that are arguably better or are some have posted “upgrades” that will get us promoted. My concern is that for the past few seasons there’s been so many of these so called better players who have been nothing short of average, and when the pressure is on we’ve shat one. 

 

We've played it safe by bringing in players who are better than what we currently have and you're worried about that because we've not took random gambles on any unknown players?

That is some take.

Edited July 11, 2023 by FFC 1876