Hank von Hell Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, Top of Meeks Road said: Had the season been declared null and void, which is the common sense outcome, then no club could realistically contest the decision in court or otherwise. Unfortunately, having made the decision to count an incomplete campaign as having been officially concluded at the point of abandonment, the SPFL have invited the very process that Hearts and Partick Thistle are now committed to. As has occasionally happened in lesser leagues in the past, the Highland League springs to mind during particularly bad winters many years ago, the competition has effectively been abandoned and will restart with the same clubs in the same divisions when safe to do so. Alas, one club was desperate to add another title to a succession of titles while another would do anything in its power to deny the Victor's their spoils. And here we are How does the Scottish law courts have any jurisdiction over a private members club's who democratically voted their board the authorization to call the leagues, and also democratically voted against reconstruction. If you don't like the club's democratic processes then just leave it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Tuesday Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 4 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Hearts, Partick, and Stranraer are absolutely right to want compensation, and I'd be surprised if they dont get something (unless they decide to ignore that to push for, yet another, round of votes). Yes you were one point behind Raith, but you're argument seems entirely based on pure guesswork that you had a chance of finishing 1st. If those three clubs are "absolutely right to want compensation", why are the clubs in play off places in all leagues not due the chance of a play off or compensation? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moutinho Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Hank von Hell said: How does the Scottish law courts have any jurisdiction over a private members club's who democratically voted their board the authorization to call the leagues, and also democratically voted against reconstruction. If you don't like the club's democratic processes then just leave it. Because Hearts and Partick Thistle signed up to a league season of 38/36 games with teams being promoted and relegated at the end, and planned and budgeted on that basis. Stopping the season on a random date and relegating teams based on an incomplete season when some had games in hand could quite conceivably be a breach of the relegated teams’ contractual rights. Edited June 16, 2020 by Moutinho 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Tuesday Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 On 15/06/2020 at 20:18, Super Tuesday said: Budge is now only doing the best for her club while we roll over as usual. Where we deserved to be where we were at the start of the season, we should be exploring every opportunity for us and thinking only for us now. We never learn. Board statement At least Thistle have the balls to say what should be said. Tuesday 16th June, 2020 at 1:59pm To those who think we should just move on and accept what’s been dished out to us, yesterday 26 clubs put themselves first. Today, we have now been given the opportunity to do the same. Chairman Jacqui Low on behalf of the Board of Partick Thistle FC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Absolute minter of a statement from them. "We shall retire gracefully from this debate" Here's some cash. "Right ya basturdz see ye in court!!11!!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcastic Bairn Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: Absolute minter of a statement from them. "We shall retire gracefully from this debate" Here's some cash. "Right ya basturdz see ye in court!!11!!" I would call it passion, what football should be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauriestonBairn Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Court in session sounds like a brilliant away day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestfieldBairn Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 After saying they would back reconstruction once the season was ended, Raith voted against it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank von Hell Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Moutinho said: Because Hearts and Partick Thistle signed up to a league season of 38/36 games with teams being promoted and relegated at the end, and planned and budgeted on that basis. Stopping the season on a random date and relegating teams based on an incomplete season when some had games in hand could quite conceivably be a breach of the relegated teams’ contractual rights. Of course they planned to play all the games ...........then there was a global pandemic with hundreds of thousands of people dying and they could no longer play, remember. We all know what happened next , the clubs voted to give the SPFL board the authority to do what they did and clubs at the bottom of their leagues got relegated as a result. If you are trying to compare this season to how a normal season would end I think you are missing a very massive point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Looking back at some of (SPFL) Doncaster’s comments, and wondering if his last throw of the dice at reconstruction was a fear that should any court/legal action be undertaken the chances are that the courts would rule in Hearts ( and now PT ) favour ? Just doesn’t add up when reviewing the information from statements released. Still get the feeling that there will be a last gasp compromise that will see all relegated teams saved.I agree with this. If it’s true that any compensation Hearts and PT receive will come out of the pot, then clubs could well get less than they would in a restructured league with more teams in it. I think this will be enough to change a lot of teams mind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, Bantabairn said: Looking back at some of (SPFL) Doncaster’s comments, and wondering if his last throw of the dice at reconstruction was a fear that should any court/legal action be undertaken the chances are that the courts would rule in Hearts ( and now PT ) favour ? Just doesn’t add up when reviewing the information from statements released. Still get the feeling that there will be a last gasp compromise that will see all relegated teams saved. Certainly either that or he was shitting himself over the prospect of hearts legal action holding up the start of next season this fecking up his new tv deal which has been his one achievement in his entire time in the job. Will be interesting to see whether this legal situation will contain a proper investigation into Doncaster's shambles of a vote and the disappearing voting slip. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughsie Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Is that really news, though? There was always going to be a requirement to compensate sponsors/rights holders as a result of them not being able to show the matches they ‘paid for’. This won’t be a surprise to the SPFL and I’m guessing the money potentially lost from the new Sky deal caused by a delay to the start to next season is greater than the potential loss of ending last season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank von Hell Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Bantabairn said: Looking back at some of (SPFL) Doncaster’s comments, and wondering if his last throw of the dice at reconstruction was a fear that should any court/legal action be undertaken the chances are that the courts would rule in Hearts ( and now PT ) favour ? Just doesn’t add up when reviewing the information from statements released. Still get the feeling that there will be a last gasp compromise that will see all relegated teams saved. I think the same , I think this will never get to court and it's a threat which clubs will see could hit them hard in the pocket (even though I can't see how Hertz & Thistle can win). Yet another last ditch proposal will come through from Budge with lots and lots of lobbying of clubs and it will go through this time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I see BT sport are wanting 3 million quid compensation from the spfl and bbc are also looking for cash back due to the season ending prematurely. More issues that doncaster forgot to mention before the infamous vote shambles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank von Hell Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 8 hours ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: Absolute minter of a statement from them. "We shall retire gracefully from this debate" Here's some cash. "Right ya basturdz see ye in court!!11!!" I wonder how much of the Thistle statement is true. The Hearts legal case has so much more weight with Thistle on board as they have been treated the most unfairly, Budge knows this and would have read that the Jags were bowing out. Cue a phone call from her to Low offering to cover any of their costs. If as reported it's now a joint legal effort then how much more really would it cost to put Thistle's name on it - I can't see them having separate cases. "Just tell them it's a wealthy benefactor" - well they are not lying I suppose. Just a theory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeStreetWalker Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 46 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said: Certainly either that or he was shitting himself over the prospect of hearts legal action holding up the start of next season this fecking up his new tv deal which has been his one achievement in his entire time in the job. Will be interesting to see whether this legal situation will contain a proper investigation into Doncaster's shambles of a vote and the disappearing voting slip. Many clubs in the lower leagues will have worked out playing is not a financially viable option without crowds. Forcing them to commit financial suicide is madness. The blazers have not asked them, can you play with these restrictions ? They should be given the option to sit out the season without penalty. Then those clubs willing to risk it or can live with the worst scenario can go ahead. If what is proposed goes through there is a likelihood some clubs could fold. There are twists and turns to happen yet with this mega shambles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainsfordbairn Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, HopeStreetWalker said: The blazers have not asked them, can you play with these restrictions ? What's your source for this HSW? The final sentence in this article two days ago seems to contradict your belief. Are there are more recent statements from clubs which contradict it? https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-confirms-12-10-10-10-league-structure-for-n 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeStreetWalker Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said: What's your source for this HSW? The final sentence in this article two days ago seems to contradict your belief. Are there are more recent statements from clubs which contradict it? https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-confirms-12-10-10-10-league-structure-for-n No statements one way or another. If the lower league clubs had been asked. Can you play a season behind closed doors ? they would not be shy about telling people about it. So in the absence of these clubs saying anything it's reasonable to presume they have not been asked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangemouth Bairn Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Shadwell Dog said: I see BT sport are wanting 3 million quid compensation from the spfl and bbc are also looking for cash back due to the season ending prematurely. More issues that doncaster forgot to mention before the infamous vote shambles. The SPFL would have known about this for months. It’s been a shambles as you’ve said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proudtobeabairn Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I also don't think Hearts and Thistle will win their legal battle - the members voted and that's the fundamental difference to the cases that were won abroad (where the leagues had made a unilateral decision) The best outcome here is that the legal case risks delaying the start of the season and that forces reconstruction to have Hearts & Thistle drop their case. I read online the other day that the SPFL have the executive power to force reconstruction rather than via a ballot. Does anyone know if this is true? Faced with these increasing bills and the prospect of more sponsors pulling out, it may be the best chance we have of reconstruction being forced through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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