banana Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Podolski cool as a fkin cucumber. x2 Top class finisher when he's on his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 No, I think you are correct. As I recall, according to Rafael Honigstein, last season Bayern's wage bill was £165 m Euros, and Arsenal's was £177 m Euros. People have bought the "poor Arsenal, Wenger is battling manfully with peanuts to spend" and it isn't reality at all. Correct. The amount of cash reserves they have is astonishing too, if the figures quoted in the media are to be believed. The problem they have is that the club are a bit too socialist with their wage structure. They caved in to Walcott, but they keep losing their better players because they can't offer them the wages to keep them. In contrast, you then had shite like Denilson and Chamakh on £60k - well above what they should've been on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 The problem they have is that the club are a bit too socialist with their wage structure. They caved in to Walcott, but they keep losing their better players because they can't offer them the wages to keep them. In contrast, you then had shite like Denilson and Chamakh on £60k - well above what they should've been on. Yep, I think it was at the start of last season, it emerged that their shit who you couldn't even trust to sit on the bench were trousering 50 or 60 K a week each. The Andre Santos and Denilson types. For Arsenal's wage bill to be comparable to Bayern Munich's, when you consider the respective quality of the First team squads, is absolutely horrendous for Wenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethbalesstupidface Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Arguable. Wenger's influenece on player diets and lifestyles, his introduction of sports science, and his youth development policies were unlike anything that British football had ever seen before, and the style of football he implemented and then evolved was certainly before its time as well. Arsene Wenger changed the English Premier League, and changed it for the better, and continues to do so with his stringent determination to work within the confines of a budget and not place in his club in debt, which destroyed the likes of Portsmouth and Leeds as major forces in English football. There's also no way the successes and revolution he brought to the Premiership will be forgotten or not the main focus of discussion. When people look back in hindsight on the last 8 years, I'd imagine there'll be considerably more "actually, he did a bloody good job keeping them competitive and in the Champions League every year whilst spending a fraction of his rivals" views expressed than there will be "they were shite, didn't even win a trophy", especially as the league and FA cups lose more and more prestige as the years go by. If they sign Benzema & Di Maria (as is being widely reported) and one of Cabaye or Kondogbia, they'll be in a pretty good position, although I'd suggest a 4th choice centre half is also required as cover for Koscielny, Mertesacker and Vermaelen. really? you mean like bringing through half a team at the same time that went on to win the league, fa cup and champions league in the same season? rather like man utd have done and arsenal have never done? you mean like that? the real issue with wenger for me is he continually lies to the fans. he has no interest whatsoever in even trying to win the league or the champions league or any cup. his view is clearly no matter if he spends every penny arsenal have the 3 teams above them can always outspend them so will always finish above them, so why waste the money. he also always leaves his transfers to this stage of the window as he believes it is a waste of money to pay the players he brings in wages through june and july, when he doesn't need them till the end of August. this would all be fine and well if arsenal fans didn't get charged double what man utd and chelsea fans pay, and wenger didn't spout his nonsense about competing for this and that when that isn't even his intention in the first place. if he was honest and came out and said this though their crowds would halve so he continually lies to the support about his level of ambition. he is the man with the masters in economics, who supposedly always looks for value for money, some journalist should ask him if he thinks arsenal fans get value for money watching the club, the answer is clearly no. 20 years after he is gone he will be seen to have done a remarkable job, but thousands of fans will have spent enough to buy a decent house following the club and getting nothing in return, its not really fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 You're looking at two different definitions of value. Clearly the market will pay for what he's selling at the price he's selling it at, so in that sense he is delivering value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Yep, I think it was at the start of last season, it emerged that their shit who you couldn't even trust to sit on the bench were trousering 50 or 60 K a week each. The Andre Santos and Denilson types. For Arsenal's wage bill to be comparable to Bayern Munich's, when you consider the respective quality of the First team squads, is absolutely horrendous for Wenger. I could be wrong but I remember reading a while back that Arsenal's wage structure is very flat, i.e. first team players all seem to earn fairly similar amounts. That would account for huge amounts being lavished on fairly average players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethbalesstupidface Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 You're looking at two different definitions of value. Clearly the market will pay for what he's selling at the price he's selling it at, so in that sense he is delivering value. I don't think he is though, he is exploiting the insane levels of brand loyalty in football to the maximum, if he was honest about his intentions and ambitions their crowds would drop massively, and in comparison to other teams around them geographically and competitively (man utd, chelsea, man city) he is clearly not providing anything remotely approaching value for money. the arsenal fans are being continuously fleeced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forehead7 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 If they go out to Fenerbahce which is very possible, their season is as good as over, in my opinion. Yeah, the score really reflected that over the two legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Yeah, the score really reflected that over the two legs. It always intrigues me how Arsenal can utterly destroy a half decent team like Fenerbache, then struggle in the Premier League to weaker teams. They seem to up their game for Europe every season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 They've lost one of their last 12 games in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 They've lost one of their last 12 games in the Premier League. But they didnt win 7-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 They've lost one of their last 12 games in the Premier League. Good for them, doesn't really have any bearing on what I said though. They always seem far more impressive in the European Qualifiers than they do domestically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Teams like Fenerbahce aren't very good, is why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy85 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Correct. Fenerbahce aren't "half decent", they're utter garbage. Arsenal were always going to pump them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beermonkey Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 They've lost one of their last 12 games in the Premier League. B...b...but....but arsenal are shit with shit players and a manger who's past it,, how can that be possible. Just had a look at the fixtures from last season, chelsea beat arsenal on jan 20th and since then arsenal lost only 1 more in the last 16 league games, not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Wenger must be fizzing he's had to play two completely meaningless ties with Fenerbache and lost Podolski for ten weeks as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Correct. The amount of cash reserves they have is astonishing too, if the figures quoted in the media are to be believed. iirc there was a report that stated arsenal keep 1 full seasons wage bill in reserve should they require it, im guessing this means 2 or 3 seasons with CL, something which seems as far fetched as them winning the league now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 chelsea beat arsenal on jan 20th and since then arsenal lost only 1 more in the last 16 league games, not bad. Bit wordy and pointless to engrave on a trophy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Bit wordy and pointless to engrave on a trophy though. Aye, just release a commemorative DVD, far better for the "war chest" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Anyone surprised? What's the phrase, "Arsene knows"? Why do people continue to doubt him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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