DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: It probably didn't have a huge bearing, maybe the result would've been closer than 55-45, but it is a sign that they were shitting themselves. It was the outlier Yes leads that had them shitting themselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 On 22/09/2023 at 14:37, DeeTillEhDeh said: Average No lead in the final days was 5% - the actual lead double that. Either don't knows switched to No or possibly don't knows who would not admit they were No voters. Even before The Vow the lead was similar. I personally don't think it was as big an influence as some think - the main thing it did was not persuade people to change their vote but to get No voters to vote. Precisely. Salmond predicted before the vote that a high turnout would be good news for Yes because long term apathetics were hardly going to come out to back the status quo. Then they did exactly that. The highest turnouts were in affluent No voting areas like Stirling and Edinburgh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 11 hours ago, Donathan said: Precisely. Salmond predicted before the vote that a high turnout would be good news for Yes because long term apathetics were hardly going to come out to back the status quo. Then they did exactly that. The highest turnouts were in affluent No voting areas like Stirling and Edinburgh. They didn't turn out. They sent in their envelopes because they were worried about their worst pension in the whole of Europe. Some even managed to send their envelopes in from the grave, that's how eager they were to save the mighty yoonyon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Martin Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 On 22/09/2023 at 14:50, DeeTillEhDeh said: It was the outlier Yes leads that had them shitting themselves. Correct. The Vow was brought in due to panic. Polling in general was still in favour of keeping the country in tact, both before and after the Vow. The notion that the vow swung 11% of the vote is fantasy. Even if it did swing a few voters, then so what? It was just part of a campaign. As a Unionist, I wish they hadn't done it, as we ended up having to give away some powers to the devolved assembly. Quite funny how Foote is pulling the strings in the SNP now though. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 You know something I've not seen in a while? Conspiracy theories that the ScotsNazis are going to round up all the Unionists and kill them, possibly replacing them with foreign SNP voters. I presume it must have actually happened or something, as it was very popular for a while. Bit peeved that I was never approached to help out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 4 hours ago, BTFD said: You know something I've not seen in a while? Conspiracy theories that the ScotsNazis are going to round up all the Unionists and kill them, possibly replacing them with foreign SNP voters. I presume it must have actually happened or something, as it was very popular for a while. Bit peeved that I was never approached to help out. I was given a sledgehammer. All morning I killed Yoons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Channel surfing and on Channel 5 now is a show called Storm Huntley. It's a phone in show and today's topic is Scottish independence. Geoffrey from the Isle of Man cannot understand why Scots don't just accept the result of the 2014 referendum and stop talking about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Linda from Kent wants the rest of the UK to have a vote to expel Scotland from the Union. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Twelve Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Linda from Kent wants the rest of the UK to have a vote to expel Scotland from the Union. Was there any pushback to this, like pointing out that Scotland doesn't belong to the UK/England? Honestly, this dipshitted attitude is really depressing - more than anything, in my view, this imperialist hangover where so many Brits are incapable of understanding an equal union, rather than one political entity being dominated by another, is why Brexit happened; we weren't dictated to by Brussels, we were Brussels. Bah! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, Alan Twelve said: Was there any pushback to this, like pointing out that Scotland doesn't belong to the UK/England? Honestly, this dipshitted attitude is really depressing - more than anything, in my view, this imperialist hangover where so many Brits are incapable of understanding an equal union, rather than one political entity being dominated by another, is why Brexit happened; we weren't dictated to by Brussels, we were Brussels. Bah! Yeah, they had a guy on (not sure who) whose job was to make the pro-independence argument. He started on the shared assets/shared liabilities line when some other talking head interrupted him with "What currency will you use?" as he was sounding far too measured and sensible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Twelve Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: Yeah, they had a guy on (not sure who) whose job was to make the pro-independence argument. He started on the shared assets/shared liabilities line when some other talking head interrupted him with "What currency will you use?" as he was sounding far too measured and sensible. FFS. Given that any attempt to seriously answer the question will inevitably result in a lengthy explanation as to how that can never work, the correct response to "What currency will you use?" is "Your mum." 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, scottsdad said: Linda from Kent wants the rest of the UK to have a vote to expel Scotland from the Union. Go Linda! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 5 hours ago, scottsdad said: Linda from Kent wants the rest of the UK to have a vote to expel Scotland from the Union. england needs many more Linda's from Kent. I had an overnight in Cranbrooks George Hotel in the summer, bar full of pissheads. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 One of the points that swayed the english vote for Brexit was that they didn't want to be RULED from Brussels, ironic that Scotland an equal partner in the union was ruled from england for 300 years and in many ways it continues. When are those pathetic little englanders going to wake up to the fact that they are insignificant in world matters and the USA decides their foreign policies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Martin Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 8 hours ago, scottsdad said: Channel surfing and on Channel 5 now is a show called Storm Huntley. It's a phone in show and today's topic is Scottish independence. Geoffrey from the Isle of Man cannot understand why Scots don't just accept the result of the 2014 referendum and stop talking about it. It's a fair point tbh. Although most Scots have actually accepted it. Scottish nationalists don't speak for Scots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, Johnny Martin said: It's a fair point tbh. Although most Scots have actually accepted it. Scottish nationalists don't speak for Scots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Martin Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Nice deflection. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Johnny Martin said: Nice deflection. No deflection, chief. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Johnny Martin said: It's a fair point tbh. Although most Scots have actually accepted it. Scottish nationalists don't speak for Scots. You have completely missed the point as usual but that comes with blinkered thinking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Cawdor Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 On 17/10/2023 at 11:51, scottsdad said: Channel surfing and on Channel 5 now is a show called Storm Huntley. It's a phone in show and today's topic is Scottish independence. Geoffrey from the Isle of Man cannot understand why Scots don't just accept the result of the 2014 referendum and stop talking about it. Having Googled one of the most recent Deadpool casualties, I was surprised to see that she was one of the 200 signatories of the pre-referendum letter to The Guardian in support of the Union. I had not previously looked at the full list of signatories, but they are listed below. An eclectic bunch, to say the least. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/07/celebrities-open-letter-scotland-independence-full-text 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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