git-intae-thum Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, AyrExile said: Any number of outside and unpredictable factors can affect the end result. See above for in/out Eu. Until any process is complete I would say uncertainty increases risk The greater risk is staying in the UK. Where we have no control over our political or economic future. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I agreee - but provided we can remain in the EU. You only have to look across the Irish Sea to observe how well our neighbours have done since they became independent. To the best of my knowledge they've never asked to be reunited with the UK.Still waiting to hear Unionists thoughts on the secession of Ireland and whether or not the UK should not only be fighting against the further break up of the precious, precious union, but trying to get the band back together for a new world tour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, AyrExile said: Without a doubt Brexit is also a risk factor for Scotland and predicting the future. As we currently have 4 times the trade with Uk than Eu then not sure why independence would be any easier Quite apart from the question of whether goods transported to England go on to the EU and every estimate of Scotland's trade is a guess because no-one keeps a proper record, Westminster keeps saying they want frictionless trade with the EU, so there's no problem there, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Without a doubt Brexit is also a risk factor for Scotland and predicting the future. As we currently have 4 times the trade with Uk than Eu then not sure why independence would be any easier Because we wouldn't come up with fantasy "red lines" which are impossible to obtain. And trade with the rUK would continue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said: The greater risk is staying in the UK. Where we have no control over our political or economic future. The greater risk is tumbling out of both unions. As nobody seems to keep authentic records of Scotland’s trading position then why would the Eu be willing to admit us? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, AyrExile said: The greater risk is tumbling out of both unions. As nobody seems to keep authentic records of Scotland’s trading position then why would the Eu be willing to admit us? Because numerous EU officials have said there would be no issue admitting an independent Scotland? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Because numerous EU officials have said there would be no issue admitting an independent Scotland?It needs all EU member states to agree not just numerous officials. It wouldn't necessarily be in the bag. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 But I thought the EU were vindictive b*****ds who hate everything the UK stands for? Surely then they'd be falling over each other to bend one up the good honest British Empire by letting Scotland in? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: It needs all EU member states to agree not just numerous officials. It wouldn't necessarily be in the bag. Given that even Spain has said they wouldn't object and the number of smaller nations admitted in recent years I think it would be highly unlikely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rodhull said: Given that even Spain has said they wouldn't object and the number of smaller nations admitted in recent years I think it would be highly unlikely. Are there not a number of financial criteria that must be met before anyone can join? If as previously mentioned Scotland’s only trading record is negatively altered by the uk govt or bbc then how do we prove this? Therefore not a formality 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, AyrExile said: Are there not a number of financial criteria that must be met before anyone can join? If as previously mentioned Scotland’s only trading record is negatively altered by the uk govt or bbc then how do we prove this? Therefore not a formality When you have EU officials testifying to the Scottish parliament that there are no major obstacles to Scotland joining the EU I'd take that as more conclusive than the hand wringing of those desperate for any reason why Scotland is incapable of doing anything on its own. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 45 minutes ago, AyrExile said: Without a doubt Brexit is also a risk factor for Scotland and predicting the future. As we currently have 4 times the trade with Uk than Eu then not sure why independence would be any easier Liam Fox will brag about negotiating the best frictionless free trade deal ever with Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, AyrExile said: Are there not a number of financial criteria that must be met before anyone can join? If as previously mentioned Scotland’s only trading record is negatively altered by the uk govt or bbc then how do we prove this? Therefore not a formality There are 2 choices for Scotland to join the EU. One is to be part of the UK ("vote No to stay in the EU). The other is to join as an independent country. In the context of these 2 options, the latter is a formality where the former should have been. However, I think we've established that your reason for Scotland remaining dependent is because it's never done anything else. That's a shite argument. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 32 minutes ago, AyrExile said: Are there not a number of financial criteria that must be met before anyone can join? If as previously mentioned Scotland’s only trading record is negatively altered by the uk govt or bbc then how do we prove this? Therefore not a formality Considering the basket cases already there, I can't see any problem, I'd hazard a guess that we'd be on a better financial footing than the majority of members on a per head of population basis. The biggest risk to Scotlands long term financial future is binding us to a country with 2 main parties that are more interested in keeping the different factions within their parties happy than anything that helps Team GB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: It needs all EU member states to agree not just numerous officials. It wouldn't necessarily be in the bag. Those states have to give valid reasons that the applicant country can then address. They can’t just say “we don’t like Irn Bru”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 hours ago, AyrExile said: I’m not against gambling at all as part of my income is made this way. I like to back winners and experts in their field which sadly doesn’t describe politicians. Very comfortable with financial services as money rules the world and better to be a part of it. A lot of old people will remember pre Eu and probably don’t think it’s all that either No gambler ever wins in the long run...unless they hit that one big win. Even then that one big win will be gambled away.in many cases. The overwhelming majority of gamblers end up broke So you are happy for this country to be put in the hands of so called experts in the financial industry, who have robbed us blind for years and led the world to the brink of the mother of all crashes only ten years ago, (BTW it was the politicians who stepped in and stopped it being so much worse in 2008) But when it comes to a new country being formed, a country that has undoubted wealth and massive potential you are unhappy about this In short what you are saying is UK good Scotland bad Money doesn't rule the world. Greedy b*****ds rule the world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Suppose adopting the Euro will solve the currency issue. Not sure how NS will handle being told what to do by the German Chancellor though.Independent but not independent. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: Suppose adopting the Euro will solve the currency issue. Not sure how NS will handle being told what to do by the German Chancellor though. Independent but not independent. 2/10 Desperate stuff. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: Suppose adopting the Euro will solve the currency issue. Not sure how NS will handle being told what to do by the German Chancellor though. Independent but not independent. Independent within the EU Community. What could be better? Presumably you weren't born and bred in Scotland or of Scottish parentage or live in Scotland. Perhaps if you had, you might be aware of of how well the Scottish economy has fared since we welcomed EU migrants to the country. Many would consider that these migrants have enriched our culture as well as our economy - sadly you don't hear that said too often south of the border. Edited December 21, 2018 by ICTJohnboy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Independent within the EU Community. What could be better? Presumably you weren't born and bred in Scotland or of Scottish parentage or live in Scotland. Perhaps if you had, you might be aware of of how well the Scottish economy has fared since we welcomed EU migrants to the country. Many would consider that these migrants have enriched our culture - sadly you don't hear that said too often south of the border. Quite the assumption and also 100% wrong.I'm 100% for letting people who add something to the country to live and work here regardless of where they currently reside.The team I currently manage has people from Russia, India, Poland, England and Scotland in it. I've found the people from Poland to be the most motivated and friendly of all.I'd rather see us go it totally alone and negotiate our own agreements on everything than be independent in name only.FWIW I voted for independence on indyref1. At the moment though I would not currently repeat that on indyref2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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