Bambino7 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Jim Leighton got more than double the amount of caps than Goram, and they were both around at the same time. Good keepers but not nearly world class. As for Barry Ferguson... Andy Goram was 10x the keeper Jim was. He only got more caps when Goram told them to ram it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambino7 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Behave. He was to be honest. Jim game back into fruition when he came to us then back to Aberdeen but he couldn't get a look in for Scotland until Goram quit right before France. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddymcp Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) When Alan Hutton went from an average fullback to the White Cafu in a blink of an eye around 2007 id say that was pretty close to world class level. Was never the greatest technically but it didn't really matter as he just seemed to drag the ball with him with players just bouncing off him, was an absolute powerhouse for 90mins. Always thought there was something suspicious about his sudden rise at that time. Edited February 12, 2016 by paddymcp 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 In fact I would go with Goram. His display against Holland was a truly world class display and he was even good enough for Fergie when he was finished. Drivel. Goram was a good goalkeeper, that's all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambino7 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Drivel. Goram was a good goalkeeper, that's all. In comparison to who? He was just as good if not better than World Class Stefan Kloss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Speaking of German keepers, I remember thinking Oliver Kahn was very similar to Goram. Maybe something about their stance. No, I don't mean their toys-oot-the-pram stance on being dropped by the national team...but, aye, there's that too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Goram gave up on balls that were difficult to reach. The flukey German cross that deflected and looped up over him in Euro 92 was a good example of that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Aye, folk did like to say he wasn't the best with the high balls. I suppose they've all got their weaknesses. Here's some photographic evidence of his laziness with the right hand. C'mon Andy, get a grip - it's right there! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Have we ever had a 'world class' player?? Can be argued that it's only the last 20-25 years that we've even been aware of footballers from all over the globe and since then we've not had anyone that I'd consider for that bracket. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Andy Goram was a better keeper than Leighton, albeit for a relatively short period of time. The Tommy Burns season, for example, he was single-handedly keeping Rangers from absolute doings in the derby games. Jim Leighton was always likely to throw one in, partly because he appeared to have rickets. Barry Ferguson too was an excellent player. Not, perhaps, the nebulous "world class", but people who dismiss him as square ball only said the same thing about Paul McStay and Gary Mcallister. They were stuck in the dark ages then and stuck in the dark ages now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof! Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Andy Goram was a better keeper than Leighton, albeit for a relatively short period of time. The Tommy Burns season, for example, he was single-handedly keeping Rangers from absolute doings in the derby games. Jim Leighton was always likely to throw one in, partly because he appeared to have rickets. Barry Ferguson too was an excellent player. Not, perhaps, the nebulous "world class", but people who dismiss him as square ball only said the same thing about Paul McStay and Gary Mcallister. They were stuck in the dark ages then and stuck in the dark ages now. Agree with most of this. If Goram had been 6ft 5 he would have been world class, as it was he was vulnerable at set pieces. McStay, McAllister and Ferguson and to a lesser extent Collins and Lambert, are the pick of our more "recent" midfielders, but none world class. If McStay had moved abroad he might have got there. Same with Cooper. Our last world class player was Dalglish, before that probably Law, Murdoch and Baxter but before my time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Agree with most of this. If Goram had been 6ft 5 he would have been world class, as it was he was vulnerable at set pieces. McStay, McAllister and Ferguson and to a lesser extent Collins and Lambert, are the pick of our more "recent" midfielders, but none world class. If McStay had moved abroad he might have got there. Same with Cooper. Our last world class player was Dalglish, before that probably Law, Murdoch and Baxter but before my time. Can't say I've seen much of Baxter though I know he was sublime when on his game. Thing is though, he did move down south and did very little at Sunderland, and that leads be to believe he was a fine player who could shine most weeks in Scotland, but just a decent player against regular, stronger opposition. ETA: though I realise that bevvy might well have played a part in his mediocre later career Edited February 17, 2016 by Gordopolis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Actually quite depressing to read about '90s players who were considered comparatively poor at the time, but who we'd be ecstatic to have back now. Pa Broon's team would have made it to this Euros, nae bather. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Actually quite depressing to read about '90s players who were considered comparatively poor at the time, but who we'd be ecstatic to have back now. Pa Broon's team would have made it to this Euros, nae bather. I think Berti Vogts team would have aswell. I do think we had the players to finish top 3 this time around, we just didn't have the manager. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I think Berti Vogts team would have aswell. Too far, Lex; too far 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Is Greener. Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 John McGinn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof! Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Can't say I've seen much of Baxter though I know he was sublime when on his game. Thing is though, he did move down south and did very little at Sunderland, and that leads be to believe he was a fine player who could shine most weeks in Scotland, but just a decent player against regular, stronger opposition. ETA: though I realise that bevvy might well have played a part in his mediocre later career Hard to tell with Baxter. He played for various world selects at the time and still stood out from what I hear. Players from that era tend to immediately name him as being world class. I think his best years were his first spell at Rangers - he may have broken a leg at Sunderland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 My sevconian mate thinks Barry Ferguson was world class in the early 2000s. Barry fucking Ferguson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I once heard someone claim "World Class" meant if you had to create a 23 man squad out of all the players in the world who would be in it.Fletcher and Gordon woulda been on the fringes at their best. Before that? f**k knows. Lambert? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I once heard someone claim "World Class" meant if you had to create a 23 man squad out of all the players in the world who would be in it. You'd probably be going back to the pre-World Cup era, then. Since then, I doubt an Earth FC manager would ever have been beeling if any Scottish player had pulled out of a squad to play the Martians. Plus, they'd hump our best anyway, the dirty b*****ds. At this point, I tend to think that if you wouldn't look out of place as a first-team regular for one of the big European clubs, you're probably world class. Assuming that the 'big club' isn't going through one of their periodic flirtations with being shite, of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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