stu92 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 I would think he fits better the profile of who we'd want in charge next season, but not necessarily who we'd want to keep us up now. If (and it is just an if) one of the issues with Hammell was lack of respect from the senior players then I'm not sure bringing someone even younger than him in fixes that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 15 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said: Surely not? Of course not, there should be a screeching 'MOTHERWELL DON'T BUY MANAGERS' klaxon every time a contracted guy is suggested. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said: Surely not? Going by that logic, why not John McGlynn? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 I assume this is just "hack does favour for contact" rather than us actually trying to get a contracted manager. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 15 minutes ago, Enigma said: Going by that logic, why not John McGlynn? McPake won't try to sign a sex offender (probably). 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 27 minutes ago, craigkillie said: McPake won't try to sign a sex offender (probably). He signed Griffiths while at Dundee didnt he? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said: He signed Griffiths while at Dundee didnt he? And tried to keep him despite him being a disaster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: He signed Griffiths while at Dundee didnt he? Careful ….. it’s only his Mrs that could claim that considering he impregnated her 47x. He’s an adulterer and a nasty little scrote but not a sex offender. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatermass Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Ron Aldo said: Surely not? I don’t see it. Struggled in our very position exactly a year ago. I know it was McGhee that took them down with, IIRC, one win during his tenure but I don’t believe McPake would have kept them up if he had stayed in post either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Just now, Quatermass said: I don’t see it. Struggled in our very position exactly a year ago. I know it was McGhee that took them down with, IIRC, one win during his tenure but I don’t believe McPake would have kept them up if he had stayed in post either. And it needs to be considered that although the Pars are doing really well - having the biggest club in the division punching their weight is a very different challenge to what he's get at Fir Park. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, Quatermass said: I don’t see it. Struggled in our very position exactly a year ago. I know it was McGhee that took them down with, IIRC, one win during his tenure but I don’t believe McPake would have kept them up if he had stayed in post either. Obviously our friends from Dundee will have more insight but I don't think they were bottom when they binned him and had just won at Tynecastle. Getting 11th was certainly still within reach and their performance, though obviously not rock and roll, hardly seems disgraceful for a side (surprisingly?) promoted via the playoffs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, Handsome_Devil said: Obviously our friends from Dundee will have more insight but I don't think they were bottom when they binned him and had just won at Tynecastle. Getting 11th was certainly still within reach and their performance, though obviously not rock and roll, hardly seems disgraceful for a side (surprisingly?) promoted via the playoffs. He was utterly dreadful and Charlie Adam dragged us kicking and screaming to the top flight. Our points with Adam in the team vs without in the top flight is also indicative. I think McPake would have done better than McGhee, I don't doubt that but that's hardly glowing praise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie McSquackle Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 43 minutes ago, Swello said: And it needs to be considered that although the Pars are doing really well - having the biggest club in the division punching their weight is a very different challenge to what he's get at Fir Park. Careful now. You'll have the Falkirk fans all over this thread with statements like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, well fan for life said: Reckon @thisGRAEME could have continued this rant for another couple of hours tbh. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Kettlewell getting straight to the point. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke92 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Ideally we need someone in before Saturday, time is obviously of the essence. What this means is it is more likely to be a 'til the end of the season' job. Questionable whether we can get someone desirable longer term in this time period. James McPake is utter fear and I'm going to write that off as total paper talk. Kettlewell and Courts also a big no for me. My criteria for the manger would be 1) Track record in the SPFL, preferably with a club of similar stature 2) Experience of implementing an organised defensive structure successfully 3) A motivator who can lift morale but also will not suffer fools Whether there is many folk with that criteria available on a free is questionable. IMO point 1 is really important, I do worry about bringing in an outsider in this situation who doesn't understand the Scottish game. I'd be more open to this in the summer. Basically, I want to see someone implement an Alexander/Robinson type defensive structure and stop us leaking goals. If we get someone to do this and sort out the man management side of things I think we will be okay. But its a big IF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superwell87 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Kelly says the players feel responsible for Hammell's sacking. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64636116 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellthepaw Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Luke92 said: Ideally we need someone in before Saturday, time is obviously of the essence. What this means is it is more likely to be a 'til the end of the season' job. Questionable whether we can get someone desirable longer term in this time period. James McPake is utter fear and I'm going to write that off as total paper talk. Kettlewell and Courts also a big no for me. My criteria for the manger would be 1) Track record in the SPFL, preferably with a club of similar stature 2) Experience of implementing an organised defensive structure successfully 3) A motivator who can lift morale but also will not suffer fools Whether there is many folk with that criteria available on a free is questionable. IMO point 1 is really important, I do worry about bringing in an outsider in this situation who doesn't understand the Scottish game. I'd be more open to this in the summer. Basically, I want to see someone implement an Alexander/Robinson type defensive structure and stop us leaking goals. If we get someone to do this and sort out the man management side of things I think we will be okay. But its a big IF. Who would you think fits the bill that's available out of work or alternatively could be brought in via affordable compensation? I personally think the only available candidates for that are Goodwin, Ross, Tommy Wright, Kenny Shiels (not availble though could be), Courts or possibly the man himself Kettlewell. You then look further down the leagues to good performing Championship level managers. It's not always successful bringing in a manager with previous success. St Mirren took a very big punt on Danny Lennon a few years back from Cowdenbeath and he done not too badly to stabilise the club and win a cup along the way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatermass Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Handsome_Devil said: Obviously our friends from Dundee will have more insight but I don't think they were bottom when they binned him and had just won at Tynecastle. Getting 11th was certainly still within reach and their performance, though obviously not rock and roll, hardly seems disgraceful for a side (surprisingly?) promoted via the playoffs. Sacking a manager after a win is always an odd look. Criticised for it at the time if I remember but the McGhee appointment never helped. At the very least it showed Motherwell don’t have a monopoly on cronyism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatermass Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 19 minutes ago, Richie said: Kettlewell getting straight to the point. That’s just as much for ‘us’ as it is ‘them’. Quite bloody right though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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