Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Literally no-one has said it's only schools. That's a strawman argument, and you know it.

I can name 4

[Gaz]

Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said:

8 minutes ago, Gaz said:

Literally no-one has said it's only schools. That's a strawman argument, and you know it.

I can name 4

Please do!

[Szamo's_Ammo]

3 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

 

The Scottish Government publishes the number of staff absent for a variety of Covid related reasons - self isolating, symptoms, positive case etc. It’s been reducing since the schools reopened.

https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/transparency-data/2020/09/covid-19-education-recovery-group-children-and-young-people-infographic/documents/children-and-young-people-infographic-01-october-2020/children-and-young-people-infographic-01-october-2020/govscot%3Adocument/CERG%2BInfographic%2B-%2B01102020.pdf
 

 

No it hasn't.

Those graphs show that the number of staff self isolating or testing positive has gone down since the first week of the schools returning but the numbers have plateaued with small increases and decreases week to week.

[Falkirk09Bairn]

4 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Wow, that is a stretch and half.

The point of my post, if you decided to have a look at it and not be a fucking smartarse, is that people  are going to be mentally affected by this.

I am quite isolated just now and the gym is an outlet...taking that away would leave me mentally struggling.

My partner has no form of income other than as self-employed small trader who might be forced to stop, despite following all guidelines. That lack of income and security would leave her mentally struggling.

So please refrain from being a c**t.

Your problems pale into comparison to the families losing loved ones all so you can post pictures on Instagram of yourself lifting a few weights. It’s an incredibly selfish hill to die on. 

[coprolite]

3 minutes ago, renton said:

Except of course that the opening of schools reflected an opening of society, behaviourly as well as in terms of hard numbers: i.e. parents returning to work, finding more time to mix and socialise. 

The only way to differentiate the indirect effects of school openings from the direct impact of children mixing is to look at index cases, and secondary infections. The general consensus from SAGE is the direct impact of children mixing is very limited. The lack of positive cases correlating to age group corroborates the findings of academic studies which also point to lower susceptibility in children, which also has knock on effects of the ability of children to pass it on. They may be more likely to be asymptomatic, but there is a question mark if asymptomatic kids are as infectious as asymptomatic adults.

Studies carried out suggest a very low percentage of children as index cases, passing on to adults. We've discussed this before. I've yet to see counter evidence.

I do believe that school openings have generally brought with it far more societal mixing. That has almost certainly brought an increase in cases. Which means there is a level of mixing that throws the whole thing open. 

Worth noting that all those nations who have opened up their schools, not one of them, not a scientific group amongst all of them has suggested the direct mixing of children is driving infection rates.

The track and trace system is not useless, and it's not pointing to school kids as primary vectors. 

 

Pfft. We've had enough of experts. 

Burn the schools

[renton]

30 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

So schools go back early August and this is the current state of play. What is your theory?

My theory is that schools going back reflects a general loosening of restrictions. The biggest effect being that thousands of parents could return to work from furlough or generally be free to mix and socialise more than previously.

It's an indirect effect of schools returning, not a direct effect of children mixing. Then in September we get huge clusters in Uni student halls.

So, we could restrict schools again, to blended learning but we wouldn't be doing it to stop cases from children mixing, we'd be doing it to try and stop their parents going out. At which point we have to face up to the prospect that it's just a general degree of freedom in civil society that is a tipping point.

Edited October 6, 2020 by renton

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Please do!

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Szamo
Mallo

There was one other posting it constantly learly yesterday - can't remember who exactly.

The point is the accusation has been made that I think that schools have no role in infections - I've never said that at all.

I have consistently said they are, but it's much more to increasing social interaction eg enabling parents to return to work; school gate interaction etc.

[djchapsticks]

1 minute ago, Falkirk09Bairn said:

Your problems pale into comparison to the families losing loved ones all so you can post pictures on Instagram of yourself lifting a few weights. It’s an incredibly selfish hill to die on. 

As I thought, you're a sad troll with no redeeming qualities. Off you f**k. 

[Gaz]

Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said:

VT
Szamo
Mallo

There was one other posting it constantly learly yesterday - can't remember who exactly.

The point is the accusation has been made that I think that schools have no role in infections - I've never said that at all.

I have consistently said they are, but it's much more to increasing social interaction eg enabling parents to return to work; school gate interaction etc.

Please find me actual posts by those three members where they say schools are the only reason for transmission increasing.

[Honest_Man#1]

Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said:

VT
Szamo
Mallo

There was one other posting it constantly learly yesterday - can't remember who exactly.

The point is the accusation has been made that I think that schools have no role in infections - I've never said that at all.

I have consistently said they are, but it's much more to increasing social interaction eg enabling parents to return to work; school gate interaction etc.
 

I’ve already asked but strangely you’ve ignored it so I’ll ask again. Can you please quote even 1 post from someone saying it’s 100% schools?

I’ll even chuck in a tenner charity bet if you can find just 1 post. If you can quote 1 then name your charity, otherwise I’ll name mine?

[coprolite]

4 minutes ago, Falkirk09Bairn said:

Your problems pale into comparison to the families losing loved ones all so you can post pictures on Instagram of yourself lifting a few weights. It’s an incredibly selfish hill to die on. 

You seem to be a genuine moron. 

Pointing out the downside of poorly conceived restrictions is an entirely reasonable thing to do.

[Marshmallo]

3 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

VT
Szamo
Mallo

There was one other posting it constantly learly yesterday - can't remember who exactly.

The point is the accusation has been made that I think that schools have no role in infections - I've never said that at all.

I have consistently said they are, but it's much more to increasing social interaction eg enabling parents to return to work; school gate interaction etc.
 

Quote any of my posts where I've said this or apologise for defaming me

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

Can you please quote even 1 post from someone saying it’s 100% schools?

Now that's what they call a strawman.

[Wee Willie]

16 hours ago, Szamo's_Ammo said:

That's a shocking and dangerous statement from Sturgeon. 

I will still vote SNP come what may to achieve the goal of independence but she loses all credibility with those quotes, the "act without delay" open letter and allowing herself to be advised by muppets like Jason Leitch.

What a shambles this winter is going to be.

And so will I. SNP is a means to an end - Independence!

16 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

It's not very pleasant but it's not insufferable.

see below

14 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:

A total piece of piss.

I've genuinely got no idea why people make out it's even slightly unpleasant, never mind some sort of ordeal.

But where dae they stick the thermometer?

[madwullie]

This is pathetic lads. Should Todd not be quarantining in whichever godforsaken North Lanarkshire shit hole he lives in? 

[Honest_Man#1]

3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Now that's what they call a strawman.

Not sure you understand the term. He posted specifically saying that people have said that it is purely schools causing transmission, and I’ve just asked him to show me evidence.
 

Unsurprisingly he’s yet to even respond to either myself or Gaz. 

[welshbairn]

5 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

Not sure you understand the term. He posted specifically saying that people have said that it is purely schools causing transmission, and I’ve just asked him to show me evidence.
 

Unsurprisingly he’s yet to even respond to either myself or Gaz. 

You certainly didn't include any other possible factors in this post. But you're right, you didn't 100%  list and rule them all out either. You win.

47 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

So schools go back early August and this is the current state of play. What is your theory?

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Not sure you understand the term. He posted specifically saying that people have said that it is purely schools causing transmission, and I’ve just asked him to show me evidence.
 
Unsurprisingly he’s yet to even respond to either myself or Gaz. 

A quick response as I'm about to go on a tour of the Vatican.

The 3 posters concerned have consistently said that schools are the main driver - the elephant in the room argument.

This started because I was accused of making it an either or argument - I'm saying that most people recognise that it is a combination of several complex factors.


Find a quote where I've said schools have no role?

You won't.

[Honest_Man#1]

3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

You certainly didn't include any other possible factors in this post. But you're right, you didn't 100%  list and rule them all out either. You win.

 

Because it’s blatantly obvious to everyone (other than DeeTilEhDie apparently) that there are other factors. To suggest it’s a single factor causing something is madness, but he’s claiming that people are which is blatantly untrue and disingenuous.

[Honest_Man#1]

1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

A quick response as I'm about to go on a tour of the Vatican.

The 3 posters concerned have consistently said that schools are the main driver - the elephant in the room argument.

This started because I was accused of making it an either or argument - I'm saying that most people recognise that it is a combination of several complex factors.


Find a quote where I've said schools have no role?

You won't.

I haven’t said that you’ve said schools have no role.

You’ve made an incorrect statement, been unable to back it up when asked, and now have completely moved the goal posts. Enjoy the Vatican, it’s a good place to hide.